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I'm currently using GrapheneOS and I quite like it, but I would like to switch to something else. Will I lose much privacy if I switch to e/OS? Can I lock bootloader after flashing it like on GrapheneOS? I'm using Pixel 7 btw

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Were you using the Google espionage services on GOS? If so, you'd likely gain a little privacy because of µG.

Some devices can lock the bootloader but that's not a generally supported feature on /e/OS.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Prize for being overly dramatic!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Seems like the exactly appropriate amount of drama to me!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Not sure if you can relock the bootloader

Their site doesn't include that info

https://doc.e.foundation/devices/panther

/e/ is a "degoogled" experience, but as noted on their site and by others here:

Google Services are replaced by microG and alternative services (see below for more details)

For a regular uninformed user like myself (I just use the stock ROM on my phone because I am stuck with it) I read that as:

We made this experience as frictionless as possible at at a cost.

The friction here would be banking and/or tap-to-pay apps that I think cause some issues for some people (please correct me if I am wrong).

So, you would lose something that is offered by GrapheneOS and gain a different interface and access to apps that have a hard requirement for GSF.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

it depends.

you'll definitely be loosing security, which can turn into loosing privacy if you get affected by malware.

you'll also be loosing privacy if installing proprietary apps, since GrapheneOS has features like storage scopes and a better permission system that help minimizing privacy issues.

I think that locking your bootloader in a Pixel is possible regardless of the ROM you install.

Anyway, I think that there's no real benefit of installing any other custom ROM in a Pixel other than GrapheneOS. You'll be just loosing out in security and potentially privacy for no real reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I recommend sticking to GOS. If you'd like to use something else, I'd recommend DivestOS. CalyxOS, LineageOS, /e/OS and iodéOS are all significant downgrades in usability, privacy and security and therefore not worth using on a Pixel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Can you speak to how those are significant downgrades?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You won't lose anything. Both options are 100% private. However, it's worth noting that Graphene is generally considered to be more secure.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What? Please stop spreading misinformation.

/e/ includes microG per default and thus calls google servers. /e/ includes unique identifyer per update call tracking its users. Graphene uses several proxy servers to hide user information, /e/ does not in similar way. And so on...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

☝️ this is correct. GSF calls home and /e/ is a different beast. The founder of Murena and /e/ is on Fedi so you could drop him a message on Mastodon and see how he answers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

According to the information provided on the DivestOS website (source: https://divestos.org/pages/faq), microG only contacts Google servers if specific options are enabled. This means that certain features or functionalities may require communication with Google servers, but it is not a continuous or automatic process.

As for /e/, it does not include unique identifiers per update call. However, it does collect your IP address when you initiate an update.

Additionally, when using the network location provider feature, your approximate location may be shared with Mozilla. However, you have the option to easily disable this feature if you prefer not to share your location.

It's important to note that /e/ foundation is a non-profit organization and does not engage in any advertising business. They have no company to sell any data to.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

It literally makes less than zero sense to go from Graphene to e, Graphene is the most hardened privacy tweaked OS available, e would be a huge step backwards on many fronts, what's your reason for wanting to switch? No, you can't lock your bootloader with e, verified boot won't be there, you'll lose the hardened kernel , the improved sandboxing, the memory protection. It's a fail from every angle.