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[–] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't surprise me. Russia wants to use ones that won't get jammed and they can't be that hard to get.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Especially since Russia stole all those people from Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

This is why kids shouldn't have cell phones.

Russia might try to war crime them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine should build some protections into their cell network. Like if the signal is coming from a high altitude and doesn't follow any known commercial flight path (if commercial flights are even flying in that area), or if it exceeds a certain speed that varies, and isn't on a Ukraine military whitelist, then interrupt the signal just enough to make it ineffective for combat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I dont think you can determine altitude solely from a cell signal

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's physically possible, though depends on if the receivers care about the vertical signal direction (for determining up) and if two towers can see it at the same time (for determining how high up, if signal quality alone isn't enough to estimate it, though with these custom devices, it's probably not reliable to go by signal strength). I don't know if any go to that length, inside Ukraine or outside.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Just need 3 recievers on the ground, time synced oc, and you can find 3D position of the transmitter.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This close up picture goes to show you how large those drones actually are.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

going off the grass and the fence I'd say 2m wingspan

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where's the banana for scale?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On Lemmy we should use lemons

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

if we need to scale a few things at once, would it be a lemon party?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Everyone always underestimates how big drones are because they look so much like model aircraft

Specs for the USAF's main drone (MQ-9 Reaper):

  • Length: 36 ft 1 in (11 m)
  • Wingspan: 65 ft 7 in (20 m)
  • Height: 12 ft 6 in (3.81 m)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Should have been kept quiet so that kyivstar can provide warning and tracking of these systems. Maybe they did. Maybe it's already played out. I guess the story here is that Russia doesn't have a c&c radio network that works?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I've been seeing a lot of news from Ukraine that make me wonder why they're not being more secretive. Don't give the Russians anything.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably a mistake to reveal this info. After recovering the SIM, it may have been possible to go back and see the network traffic from the drone. That could create an opportunity to disrupt or hijack drone c&c in the future.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Most likely it is encrypted and so there isn't anything useful to learn.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Frequency of transmissions and amount of data transmitted should offer some information.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't be so sure if they have to use Ukraine's cell network, but possibly

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I see an XT plug. Do they use AliExpress battery packs?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I mean why not use the plug most batteries come with?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Sourcing COTS hardware is a thing for sure, especially if your country is under heavy embargo for the military grade shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Man, what a waste of engineering talent. These drones are actually super cool and they're being used to suicide bomb. Ffs

The persian engineering teams should mass defect to Korea and go work at Samsung or something.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What's special about them? Seem like pretty basic drones.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fibreglass lifting body immediately makes it more than your basic drone. Granted it's not exactly rocket science, but you still need to get the shape right, make a giant mandrel, fit all those panels and doors together nicely. And then you need to figure out a production line that makes it cheap enough to mass produce them -- after all, they get exploded.

Just imagine they used all of those tools and skills to make sailboats instead. Or still in the drone form-factor, have them circle events with a 5g cell relay on them or something. War sucks but it pays salaries, sadly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

A sailboat is probably way easier to build. Just more laborious.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Institute for the Study of War (ISW), a Washington, DC-based think tank, said in an assessment published on Thursday that Russian forces were reportedly using SIM cards from Kyivstar, the largest telecommunications operator in Ukraine, "to control Shahed drones" in Moscow's grinding war against Kyiv.

ISW cited a Ukrainian source that reported on Wednesday that "a downed Russian Shahed drone included a Kyivstar SIM card, which reportedly allows Russian forces to exploit the Kyivstar mobile network to track the drone's location and change its flight path."

Внутри найдена симка "Киевстара", предполагается, что она использовалась для передачи дрону команд во время полета https://t.co/XmVOZHhzks #RussianUkrainianWar pic.twitter.com/53fDhIXBCP

Last month, Russia launched its largest drone attack against Kyiv since the Kremlin invaded the Eastern European country in February 2022.

Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a post on X at the time that the country's Armed Forces and Air Defense system shot down 71 out of 75 Shahed drones launched by Russia into Ukrainian territory on the night of November 25.

Mykhailo Shamanov, a spokesperson for the Kyiv city military, told CNN that the drone attack on the Ukrainian capital is the fourth from Russia in the last month.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Just a flying cell phone nothing abnormal....