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Why shouldn't I hate Christians? Or Muslims? They cause nothing but pain in this world
What was the religion of most of the most harmful people of the 20th century?
Probably not possible to accurately know. Death tolls from all major offenders in the millions
Yeah exactly. If you look at the top bad guys of last century, the names that will roll into your head should be; stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot. And what you will notice as none of those guys had a paticular religion and were maybe even anti religion. So the idea that religion is the thing that causes the harm doesnt make any sense.
Hitler called himself a Christian.
Hitler was not a christian, he literally wanted to get the christian influence out of german society.
Hey look, Christians conveniently claiming that Christians they don't like aren't really Christian!
I really need to learn some slurs for Christians and start using them more
In the private Tabletalk interviews Hitler talked about his deep Christian beliefs, which he had always talked about publicly. He wanted to create a German National Christian church in the same model that England has its own national Christian Church with the King as the head. (Anglicans).
If Hitler wasn't Christian, then British Anglicans (the majority of all Christians in Britain and North Ireland) aren't Christian either.
If he wanted to create a national "church" then it would have been a church to use as a tool/organization, and he was still not a christian. Which would still be the attempted destruction of the church.
So the Church of England, that is the Anglican church aren't Christian?
George H Bush wasn't Christian because he was Anglican?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
And here is Martin Luther, the founder of Protestism:
"burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them"
"to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians"
"to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow"
"We are at fault for not killing them."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
Hitler was only doing what Martin Luther said needed to be done.
In your opinion, which branch of Christianity is actually Christian? Orthodox?
Apples and oranges. Hitler hated christians and was going to destory the church, making a state run church is not christian.
Building a German National Church so that German Christians would be free to practice their faith outside of foreign control is the opposite of destroying the church. Henry VIII didn't destroy the church.
Anglicans exist. George Bush Senior is a Christian.
Hitler was following the teachings of Martin Luther, the founder of Protestism.
No, that is not how national churches work, and I am done explaining this to you. Just trust me (and everyone else) that Hitler was not a christian.
I quoted Martin Luther. "We are at fault for not killing them." Was Martin Luther a Christian?
Hitler said he wanted to create a church in the model of the Church of England. He couldn't have been more clear. Wanting to create a Church of Germany exactly like Church of England isn't destroying a church.
Anglicans are Christians despite being members of the Church of England. Henry VIII didn't destroy Christianity in England.
Christianity has killed way more than those individuals could ever dream of
Sure thing bro, commands like "love thy neighbor" just throw people into a murderous craze!
What about two commandments for cheating on your wife? A greater sin than murder lol
It only exists to control people
I will tell you this once because I feel like I am going to waste my time, but maybe it will stick. Christianity has a bunch of rules, and it has nothing to do with controlling people, it has to do with the best functioning society and what is actually good for people. It is the reason why western civilization has done so well for so many centuries. Things like cheating on your wife is bad for society and for the individuals, that is why it is prohibited. My comment is an outside observation of what the religion of christianity does, other religions have different features.
The rules of Christianity aren't written in the Bible.
That is exactly where the are written.
Yeah, that was bait that you shouldn't have taken.
Now I can point to the peculiar rules of every Christian sect and ask whether those rules are Christian commandments, or Clergy controls.
There are some non-christian made up rules, paticularly with the catholics, but many of the things you are referring to are differences in interpretation.
So, the rules of Christianity aren't written in the Bible. They are written wherever the clergy wrote down their interpretations.
No, the rules are in the bible but people can interpret them differently. I think the issue you are probably referring to are probably the cult types that twist and turn things to not mean what they mean.
Yes, and then they write down those interpretations. And then they judge behaviors of others against those interpretations. So the Amish interpret the Bible to establish a rule against technology. Jehovah's witnesses interpret the Bible to establish a rule against blood transfusion. They say their rules come from the Bible, you say their rules are interpretations, and only your own interpretations are actually rules.
The clergy writes the rules. The clergy invents god in their image, and "interprets" rules that benefit themselves.
Sure, but the basis for all of their rules is the bible. And you are right in how its dangerous and that was a big problem and Martin Luther is the example of someone pointing out when they clergy got out of hand and made unbiblical rules.
Very good.
So the next time someone tells you the rules of Christianity aren't written in the Bible, you'll agree with them?
No, the rules are still in the bible...
You've already accepted the role of the clergy in writing and enforcing them.
They dont write, they interpret and enforcement is done on a personal or community level typically. Its like you saying that the laws originate with the state not the constitution. No, the constitution is (supposed to be) the main document that the applicable laws are based on, states can go against it, but the basis is the constitution (or at least it is supposed to be).
The constitution is not the basis of law, nor is it supposed to be the basis of law. Laws do not originate from the constitution.
The constitution establishes government. The government establishes law.
If the Bible is analogous to the constitution, then the clergy is analogous to government.
To make the constitution analogous to the Bible, we would need a couple dozen different variants of the constitution, written at various times, to and from various languages. We'd have to do away with states, and the three branches. The clergy would consist of every county sheriff throughout the nation. Every sheriff would hold the full power of government, dictating what rules are important and what can be ignored. But, the sheriffs wouldn't agree with each other on what is important.
Most importantly, we would have to remove the amendment process from the constitution, and let the sheriff's take care of that, too.
That's why you're not allowed to eat shrimp or wear cotton polyester blends. It's also why you can beat your slaves but not kill them. It also caused the crusades, Salem witch trials, justified slavery in the US, justified the prohibition against interracial marriage, started the KKK, actively works to have women killed if they have a non viable fetus, actively works to kill homosexuals who won't stay in the closet, burns books, is currently committing genocide in Central Africa, molests little boys, caused the Bosnian Genocide, preaches "love thy neighbor" while lynching folks, celebrates when a trans person is shot, sends people to conversion camps that literally tortures them, molests even more kids, blames weather events on gay people, and comes to my fucking house, right to my fucking door, to try to tell me that I need to accept Yeshua ben Yosef or their magic fairy that they don't have any real evidence of is going to spank me.
I don't need that kind of hate to tell me not to go around murdering people. I already don't do that. I don't need it to tell me not to rape. The Bible says that's cool as long as I pay her dad but I'll go a step further and just not rape anyone. I certainly don't need that jackass Paul telling me anything because he didn't teach the same thing Yeshua ben Yosef taught, but there's a whole shit pile of his rules and regulations in the New Testament. And if I wanted a drugged out weirdo telling me about the end times I'd go listen to Crazy Tommy talk about his vision of the Neverending Story while he's dropping acid.
Practice your religion. If it keeps you from raping and killing then I'm all for it. But practice it in your closet, not on the digital street corner for all to see. Because if you do that then you already have your reward.
This is just a series of strawmen or ignorance to the subject. Why do you take time to write comments like these when they dont mean anything?