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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you really want good search results, check out Kagi.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (5 children)

5 euros for only 300 searches a month. That's ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah kagi looks quite good to me but I just can’t justify their asking price.

3€ / month for unlimited searches is probably as far as Id go. Hopefully they find a way to lower prices in the future and capture a wider audience.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I guess that's not really possible at the moment because kagi sources their data from other providers where each one of them charges by usage. They're banking on their users to not search as much so they can be profitable, which means they're incentivized to make their search result good so their users won't repeatedly search same topics over and over.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

You're apparently worth something like $40/month to Google.

So they're already at a competitive disadvantage to services where you are the product and not the customer.

Stuff's not free.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I switched to yearly billing recently and it's a bit cheaper that way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Honestly, I thought the same! I primarily use DDG, but when that doesn't cut it, I go use my Kagi free trial of 100 searches. It's lasted me months at this point, which is a testament to DDG and Kagi tbh. DDG for getting me there 99% of the time, and Kagi for delivering on the rest, with the bonus of being customizable and privacy focused. When the trial runs out, I will likely purchase the lowest tier so I can mix it in more bc the result quality is truly higher and it actually LISTENS to my quotes and + & - terms. You may not do as many searches as you think, and for throwaway searches, DDG is probs good enough.

Im a dev & my entire job is googling shit basically, so it's worth it for me to get quality results without dealing with the bullshit AI SEO wasteland

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I've been pretty happy with the $10/mo plan. And I really wasn't planning on using past the first month originally.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I wish it was $5 for 300 searches, or even 150 searches. I really don't like that it's a subscription for limited searches, why can't I pay per search?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

What’s wrong with this price for a tool you use multiple times every day?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

The reincarnation of Marie Antoinette over here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Do you use it? How good are the results on rare topics?

I'd be willing to pay for an actually good search engine, but most engines I check give subpar results to google. It's fine to use a privacy focused search engine for easy searches, but I don't want to pay for one that will still require me to use google for anything complicated or super specific.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I use Kagi for everything, and use DDG and Google as backup searches. Usually, if Kagi didn't get me what I want, others won't either. I still prefer using multiple engines when looking into certain things, and that's no fault of Kagi.

Best feature IMO is personal ranking and DenyListing. For example, I can downrank Microsoft.com from my results, uprank StackOverFlow, and block CNet from my results. I can also downrank or block SEO nonsense sites from my results. I use this feature carefully, because I don't want to create my own bubble, but some sites are empirically terrible quality

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

There is a 100 searches trial which oddly enough is actually plenty. It was a very good experience but I wish there was a cheaper plan to be fair

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Kagi is good, but for rare topics try search.marginalia.nu