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I too like to compare leaders from two different time periods and apply the same standard. When was stonewall? How is the LGBT community treated in the US today? Brandon just watching as chuds agitate against LGBT community and does nothing
The Institute of Sex Research was burned down in 1933. It wasn't a "different time", it was a time with the same political issues and the same Nazi rhetoric attacking trans people. Had something been done to prevent the rise of the Nazis and protect the Institute of Sex Research, trans healthcare would be 50 years ahead in technology and we wouldn't be facing the same issues today. But Genocide Joe (the Russian one) opted not to do anything about the Nazis until 8 years later when Hitler brought the war to Russia.
Genocide Joe was aware of the issues. He chose not to protect trans people, and he chose to persecute gay people. Marx said a worldwide revolution would be required, but Joe said fuck that, homosexuality is bourgeois, and stayed in Russia. He is in large part responsible for the current plight of LGBT people.
I ask you, what state would the world be in if we had had a progressive Soviet Union? One that was 50 years ahead of the states on queer issues? One that was committed to racial and religious equality? How would the fight for global communism be going today if Genocide Joe had not armed the US with material for their propaganda that claims communism is right wing? If everyone in the world knew today that the USSR had been a haven for queer and Jewish people, decades ahead of the capitalist regimes, how easy would it be to persuade people into allies of the communist cause today? How much would a genuinely positive example help us?
Joseph Stalin fought the Nazis on the battlefield, but he was their ally in the cause of bigotry and hate. He had every opportunity to choose to become a progressive, and he refused. Fuck him.
Sounds like lesser-evilism to me. I don't really have that much of a problem with you thinking all that if you can apply the same mindset to modern politics.
With enough time the SU would've eventually gotten there. Here I point to Cuba that similarly had reactionary views on LGBT issues in the past and have the world wide most progressive protections for LGBT people.
Stopping the Holocaust means that Stalin was a bigot and was hateful. Please get a grip.
It shouldn't take time for a person to realise that criminalising being gay is wrong. You should just know that by the time you're 5 years old. At the latest. I have no idea what Genocide Joe's parents taught him as a child, but they obviously failed to raise a good boy. They raised a shithead.
Stalin was a product of his time, which (similar to today) was full of homophobia.
Good people (such as the wonderful scientists at the Institute of Sex Research) are capable of critical thinking and questioning their problematic beliefs. That's always been true and it always will be. There has never been a time in history when a good person thought we should throw all gay people in jail.
Funny how you ask for critical support for Brandon, but are unable to do so for Stalin
Genocide Joe the first is dead. There's nothing to gain by supporting him. Biden is alive. He's most likely going to be a participant in the upcoming election that decides whether my partner lives or dies. I care about my partner's life.
Ok let me rephrase, it's funny that you recognize that Brandon is not "a good person" but still are willing to look past his flaws, but aren't willing to do so for Stalin?
On a serious note: I hope you and your partner will be fine and I mean it. I just doubt that it will be significantly different under Biden than Trump (see caged children on the Mexican border. Biden continues trump's policy just more "professionally" for a lack of a better word)
No, I don't look past Genocide Joe II's flaws. I hate his guts. Whether or not he wins, I'm trying my hardest to get my partner out of the US. He will certainly doom the US to a fascist Trump regime. Nothing I said in this meme or this entire thread looks past his flaws, excuses or accepts them in any way. He's a shithead through and through. Please vote for him.