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Ultra libertarian == I’m free to be whatever I want to be despite your freedoms
Jingoist == my country is the best ever no matter what you say
“Ultra libertarian + Jingoist” == fuck you im a nationalist and don’t know civics
Well, no. A fundamental of libertarianism is that one's liberty doesn't encroach on others' liberty, since obviously that would be taking away liberty, ergo anti-libertarian.
If someone claims to be "ultra libertarian"—an entirely different thing—and does this, they would ironically be in direct opposition of the thing they claim to be associated with; on it's most fundamental level, no less.
So you haven't paid attention to those who call themselves libertarians for the past 20+ years? Their entire m o is restricting others' liberties in favor of their own. And I'm not conflating conservatives and libertarians accidentally, I'm pointing out libertarians in practice.
Hitler also called his party socialist (maybe even believed in that himself), yet you'd find it hard to find people who agrees on that
Surprisingly you can find people arguing that Hitler and his party were actually left wing (because they used the word socialist) both online and off. My usual response is to consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Yeah well that's another thing. Same way as many lefties are bashing borderline fash right as libertarians just because they claim so, many on the right claim Hitler was a socialist to throw dirt on socialism.
In both of these cases, I honestly believe it's the 2nd group that's actually harming the name of an ideology more than the first.