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What Matrix/Discord/Teams alternatives are there that FULLY support E2EE across Desktop and Mobile? (feddit.de)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Crosspost: https://feddit.de/post/8502102

Element for Android doesn't support searching in encrypted channels and I think you can't use E2EE in the browser at all(?), plus basically every other client has even more drawbacks when it comes to E2EE.

My team recently tried RocketChat, but E2EE is obviously an afterthought for that project as it has even more limitations than non-Element Matrix clients (no searching, no pinning, no file upload, no edit, etc.). Plus Jitsi integration seems to be buggy right now (at least on my Windows installation).

What else is out there that's not on my radar? Is Matrix with Element really the best option right now? Is there no project that puts E2EE above all else?

Edit: Should be self-hostable and (FL)OSS.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does XMPP with OMEMO give you what you are looking for, or am I misunderstanding?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

In regards to e2ee probably, but they seem to have very specific feature requirements for a team-chat, which current XMPP clients do not fulfil.

However I do wonder about the fixation on e2ee. In a self-hosted scenario with TLS encryption (and local users only) there is no real need for e2ee.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You'd have to be crazy not to be paranoid these days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its crazy how Tech Giants burst out chat apps like nothing.

Having a good client based on Conversations with some stuff added would cost nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not Conversations based, but you might want to keep an eye on: https://prose.org/ (fully open-source and XMPP standard compatible)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Thats cool! A bit too much of these stupid emoji people but looks nice and futureproof?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The server is not hosted on premise and the team will exchange communication that requires to remain private. That's why I really need E2EE for everything (and why RocketChat is not an option as E2EE is not fully implemented).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why not move the server on premise? e2ee is a very imperfect protection against metadata leaks and running the servers on premise has loads of other advantages.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

There isn't really a premise per se as we are a decentralized team, but the details don't really matter.