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People keep talking about "Federalizing the National Guard" and now you've got other States pledging their NG to Texas in defiance of the Supreme Court (see image).

So is this what CW2 looks like?

P.S. I'm a Brit

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

All of which misses a critical point:

The forming of the Confederacy wasn't "legal" either.

We can handwave away concerns about mounting threats of violence by citing regulation and law, but none of that actually addresses the underlying issue that if these people want to start shit, they will find an avenue.

And let's also not sit here, in 2024, and assume the institutions, norms, checks, and intended safeguards in our system will always work when they need to. We've seen far, far too many breakdowns and failures in our system over the last decade to believe otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You have to understand that the US military today is a very different organization than it was in the 1860s. I know - I served and majored in military history for my first undergraduate degree, and studied the civil war in particular. I also come from a military family with a father, grandfather, and uncle who served as officers until retirement age.

Far right domestic terrorism is a real and developing threat coming from both former military personnel and from civilians. The election of a far right government that shreds the constitution is also a major threat to American democracy. But if the shit does come down, it’s not going to be because some Guardsmen decide that they’d follow DeSantis over Biden.

Military justice is no joke. Falling on the wrong side of it can end people. The military is also very integrated and has political as well as ethnic diversity. I’m not saying you couldn’t find an Army colonel who wouldn’t want to engage in an armed rebellion, but the country today is very, very different than it was mid-19th century, and so is the military.

Please do note that I do see the rise of American fascism as a real threat. It’s just not going to manifest because state Guard orgs decide to disobey orders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Since you studied the Civil War, I got a book from my grandfather before he passed, Don't Know Much about The Civil War, by Kenneth C. Davis, and was wondering if you've read of heard of this book and if it would be a good resource or not to read about the Civil War? Or if you can recommend another book or author that is great for learning about the Civil War, I'd appreciate any helpful insights as I'm curious to learn more about the Civil War, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Battle Cry of Freedom is pretty widely seen as being one of the best introductions to the civil war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Thank you! Luckily it's at my local library so I'll pick this up first thing tomorrow if they're open, appreciate your help!

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