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I think it's ignorant to call it "shitty" or "fake wrestling".
Pro-wrestling entertainment is a form of camp theater, like drag shows. It's an old, cherished artform with a wide, passionate audience that outsiders routinely dismiss because they don't get it.
I don't watch it. It doesn't appeal to me. But I know people who love it. I think it's largely class elitism that perpetuates the misconception that this form of performance art is somehow unrespectable. It's not, it's challenging, dangerous, physically demanding theater.
Edit: For those confused or skeptical, check out Super Eyepatch Wolf's captivating media analysis "The Undertaker: Long term story telling in wrestling"
Hella based take.
Attitude was the best era also
Just like in nineteen ninety-eight when The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table?
I would call WWE shitty because of what they do to their performers. The performers are artists and deserve our respect tho.
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Can't we have one thread on the Internet where we take the piss out of "manly" men in full costume including tights and makeup throwing each other around and performing "manly" acrobatics / gymnastics without having to bend over for the sanctity of the viewing audience?
I guess not, I guess we have to have a (righteous) turd in every punch bowl.
I mean, you're trying to shit on an entire form of art and diminish people's enjoyment of it.
There are countless threads on the internet tearing down wrestling and those who like it. Very few actually have responses like the one you're replying to.
yawn it's "art" primarily made for people who take daily shits on art being for pussies or pansies or worthless
I understand that there are some versions of it that don't suck and that not all of the fans are like that...but this is a situation akin to mainstream country music...the current mainstream incarnations of this thing (i.e. the WWE, which is such an impoverished "artist" that it just inked a multi-billion dollar deal with Netflix) are so far removed from the "art" version of the thing that we might as well be talking about different things.
As for "diminishing people's enjoyment of it"...if you cannot enjoy something despite very mild criticisms of it...you probably didn't enjoy it that much to begin with. This is Lemmy so I don't think the two dozen views my posts get will make a big cosmic difference.
Doubt
I come from Twitter. I'm not sure what your social media background is but there they have a "leave no opportunity for sanctimonious bullshit unexplored" policy.
Look, I don't want to bicker, because you seem kind of sensitive about all this, but I just want to point out for anyone unaware, pro wresting is popular with a lot of queer and counterculture folks.
There's this misconception that it's for people with confederate flags on the back of pickup trucks. In reality, women consistently make up about 40% of the audience for pro wrestling. They only make up 25% of the audience for MMA.
Also, viewership is about 25% black. That's a huge over representation compared to national demographics. And it's popular from Mexico to Japan!
It's flamboyant musclemen and women hamming it up. If you think that's all for people who don't like art and theater, you're sorely mistaken.
http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2017/06/wwe-demographics-femalemale-split.html
https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/wwe-viewership-statistics/
https://wrestlenomics.com/2022/03/23/race-demographics-in-tv-wrestling-viewership-aew-is-still-behind-wwe-with-black-viewers/
I get that it's not all straight white cis christian males, pretty much nothing is. What I don't get is why we have to get all worked up about someone making fun of some silly, multi-billion dollar business.
Okay... have you ever heard of being the bigger person? And this in no way applies to everyone or even the majority of people who enjoy wrestling.
You sound like a grandpa trying to explain to teenagers why rap isn't music.
Sure, have you ever heard of being a killjoy?
I understand you have a sort of "not all men" thing going on in this thread because you're likely a fan of wrestling, but I don't care.
Maybe you and your friends love purely artisanal, organically grown, farm to table, backyard wrestling...but I've bumped into a metric shit ton of absolute douchenozzles that like mainstream wrestling (i.e. the WWE which is what is being discussed anyway) and I don't care about making fun of it or them for liking it a little.
It's possible to like something even if you know it sucks. I was a pretty big Coldplay fan for years...I still watch the NFL a bit despite it being basically eagle, beer, betting, army, trucks, Gillette (the best a man can get) for 3.5 hours interrupted by a few seconds of actual gameplay.
It's possible to see the bad sides of things you enjoy...it's actually healthy IMO.
You CAN take he piss out of anything you want. It's just that if your take is uninformed, don't grouse when someone says, 'Oh! Here's some context so you can know more about this thing! Enjoy knowing something new!'
The Internet is just full of annoying nags about every single issue. In one thread on here today I bumped into a guy who claimed to be pro-"eat the rich" at the same time as he was against asking them pointed questions. People just love to be holier than thou or contrarian or both I suppose. 🤷
Well it ain't wrestling, so it's fake wrestling. Those are the words I use to describe it. You may think it's "ignorant" to call it such, but I'm not ignorant of its history or how it's done (in fact I've always been impressed by the athleticism that's obviously required). So my label isn't from ignorance.
It's as lame as soap operas. And I do look down my nose at people who watch that garbage too, or the garbage of most "reality" TV, or melodrama.
It's all just trite and juvenile appeals to base emotion, nothing more.
There's not even a wink and a nudge from the actors to the audience.
Any other words you'd like to gatekeep?
You are definitely ignorant to it's history and execution. That's not an insult.
But you don't get to pretend you throughly understand something you admittedly don't even have any interest in, or have spent any time studying.
It's not gatekeeping. You're pretending to know things you don't have a basic understanding of.