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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

I live in the post communist part of the EU and I'm very happy that wokeness and the culture war haven't arrived here yet. Everybody here still follows good faithed common sense, which is a refreshing change from the UK and Germany (both of which I have spent time in), where it is a topic of conversation. Yet not at the cost of LGBT rights, which are legally in step with the West.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Genuine question which I promise I am asking in good faith: what do you think "wokeness" is?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Oh sure! In the UK it was stuff like the use (and expectation) of pronouns. Or institutions taking steps to be 'LGBT-friendly' and making sure they tell you about it. Sometimes it felt almost forced and I just got tired of it as a topic.
I too want these people to feel comfortable, but as long as the legislation is there and people try to be friendly (just like they would be to anyone else), the rest just feels like an overreaction to me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Having observed the culture war in the US for a while, my take is that the problem here is not wokeness per se, that is just as simple as cam_i_am stated. The problem with the culture war is that the conservatives pick a fight over every little step towards progressive legistator. They'll fight tooth and nail so that LGBT+ people do NOT have place in society. And these people, while being a minority, still add up to a significant part of the population, maybe around 10-15%.

And at that part, the woke people have no choice but to fight back, IF they want to have a place in society.

I have no idea about where in the "post communist part of the EU" you could be. But if you're in Hungary or Poland, there is no culture war, because the suppression is absolute.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm that's true, I suppose constant sabotage of LGBT legislation would explain why the movement would be so vocal.

It doesn't really explain the UK though because I don't think there's too much opposition to queerness in society there, even among conservatives. It's possible that culture war rhetoric was imported from the US space as a political tool, because when I lived there previously in 2017, saying pronouns was not a thing yet.

Otherwise I live in the Czech Republic where although people have quite an egalitarian attitude towards sexuality (so the laws are quite relaxed) the culture itself is still relatively conservative. It just really isn't a topic here though

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