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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for copyright infringement by nonfiction book authors in class action claim (www.cnbc.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for copyright infringement by nonfiction book authors in class action claim::The new copyright infringement lawsuit against Microsoft and OpenAI comes a week after The New York Times filed a similar complaint in New York.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If I want to be able to argue that having any copyleft stuff in the training dataset makes all the output copyleft -- and I do -- then I necessarily have to also side with the rich chumps as a matter of consistency. It's not ideal, but it can't be helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait. I first thought this was sarcasm. Is this sarcasm?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No. I really do think that all AI output should be required to be copyleft if there's any copyleft in the training dataset (edit for clarity: unless there's also something else with an incompatible license in it, in which case the output isn't usable at all -- but protecting copyleft is the part I care about).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Huh. Obviously, you don't believe that a copyleft license should trump other licenses (or lack thereof). So, what are you hoping this to achieve?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, you don’t believe that a copyleft license should trump other licenses (or lack thereof)

I'm not sure what you mean. No licenses "trump" any other license; that's not how it works. You can only make something that's a derivative work of multiple differently-licensed things if the terms of all the licenses allow it, something the FSF calls "compatibility." Obviously, a proprietary license can never be compatible with a copyleft one, so what I'm hoping to achieve is a ruling that says any AI whose training dataset included both copyleft and proprietary items has completely legally-unusable output. (And also that any AI whose training dataset includes copyleft items along with permissively-licensed and public domain ones must have its output be copyleft.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, but what do you hope to achieve by that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In your mind are the publishers the rich chumps, or Microsoft?

For copyleft to work, copyright needs to be strong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I was just repeating the language the parent commenter used (probably should've quoted it in retrospect). In this case, "rich chumps" are George R.R. Martin and other authors suing Microsoft.