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I was just reading about how a current Israeli war minister’s son died in combat and it made me wonder that if Israeli’s politicians who make these decisions know their family will be affected by it personally and directly, does that lend towards the suggestion that it is more likely they are making genuinely ethically and morally correct decisions to engage in war stuff given their personal skin i the game?

It would seem totally different from American politicians like Cheney who create bullshit geopolitical conflicts knowing full well their progeny will never be touched by it…

Edit: I'm assuming they actually care/give a shit about their offspring and family, even if only just for appearences

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Jews are indigenous to Israel too (backed by genetics and history). Also why are you so sure all Palestinians are indigenous to Israel? Studies have shown that there is a very good possibility that there has also been a large migration of Arabs into Palestine from the surrounding regions, as a consequence of conditions rapidly improving there.

Israel doesn't separate people based on race and religion, there are Muslim Arab judges, cops, doctors, programmers, etc. A few years ago a bunch of programmers from Gaza got permission to work in Israel due to shortages - these guys are literally Arab, Muslim and come from enemy territory.

Arab Jews are discriminated against in Israel? You mean Mizrahi Jews which are the largest Jewish group in Israel and have the exact same rights as other people in Israel?

Or did you mean Arab Israelis who have the pleasure of living in (relative) freedom, when compared to Arabs elsewhere in the middle east (and as I stated before, also aren't discriminated against)?

Israelis deserve peace, and Palestinians definitely deserve better - but it is their responsibility as a people to make their situation better. Israeli leadership currently sucks but the Israeli population in general has gone above and beyond in filling the void the government left. The same can be done by the Palestinians if they really wanted to, but it seems many of them really just want us dead at all costs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Israelis deserve peace, and Palestinians definitely deserve better

Absolutely with you!

But it is their responsibility as a people to make their situation better.

Ok, hang on...

What do you mean by this? Whose responsibility? Palestinians? They have a responsibility to improve their situation....

Israel is an occupying force. Surely Israeli forces and settlers should leave occupied West Bank to start with. Then there can be a discussion about how Palestinians can improve their situation.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-settlers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141572
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/these-are-biblical-lands-promised-to-us-jewish-settlers-in-west-bank-hope-gaza-conflict-will-help-their-cause

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When the British occupiers left Israel, Israelis built a country, and Palestinians went to war.

When the Israeli occupiers left Gaza, Palestinians started building rockets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

When the British Occupiers left the East Coast we, the Americans, started to build a nation while the shiftless Indians just tried to fight it. We killed them and dispossessed them of their land and civilized them.

Thank goodness we destroyed their ways of life (destruction of the buffalo (olives)). And removing them from their wealth sure made it easy for us to give out our settlers land for free (bought with Indian blood). It also had the side effect of forcing the Indian into our colonial system and they were cheap labor!

There are literally zero parallels here to Israel. I don’t know why I even thought of any of this.

Keep on bombing those children in Gaza!