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Here's why it's against Microsoft interest to drop TPM requirement. They will paywall updates for Windows 10. So, pay for software updates or pay for hardware updates.
Because there is no possible alternative /S
Wow, so many salty replies to Linux or soon-to-be Linux users in that thread
Not really, the only saltines comes from OPs tears all over this post.
It's just so fun seeing how OP is faced with either having an unsecure system or having to pay to replace his otherwise perfectly capable machine, but still has so much loyalty to Microsoft (or he's in extreme denial) that he's throwing shit at everybody,even those who just explain Microsoft won't drop the requirement.
But it's ok, my non TPM machines will continue to work for years, always up to date. And when 12 rises the requirements yet again I'll laugh at all the people crying that a trillion dollars company isn't hearing them.
As someone mentioned in the comments, non TPM machines can have W11 on them and it will most likely work just fine so that's pretty much a non issue...
In 2025 TPM 2.0 will be 11 years old, add the optional 3 years of updates and that's 14 years old, I don't think there will be that much personal hardware without TPM 2.0 that is still being actively used at either of those points and if the people who do still use it absolutely want to stick to Windows then they'll still have the option I mentioned before...
Both AMD and Intel bake a hardware TPM into their CPUs IIRC. I think Windows 11 complains more about Secure Boot not being enabled on my PC than the TPM.
You can tinker your way around it, and hope Microsoft doesn't change anything that breaks the workaround. Doesn't make OPs less funny.
Serious question: what are the actual application of TPM in our day-to-day use?
https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/trusted-platform-module-TPM
It's doing stuff in the background...
This is nothing new. Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that point. They’ve done paid extended service for several previous windows versions. I don’t like Windows or Microsoft. I run Linux or MacOS where I can but I can’t fault them for supporting an OS for 10 years.
Longer than apple will ever support an OS you can be damn sure about that.
The updates are free and changes affecting user interface and software compatible are minimal. Especially compared to windows versions.
I quite enjoy MacOS but they are way more likely to break backwards compatibility than Microsoft. I would argue that one of Microsoft's biggest problems with Windows is that they don't break compatibility often enough. The engineering effort they put into maintaining support for archaic software is pretty immense.
What? No. lol
Apple updates constantly break whether or not an application can be updated and remain compatible. It's literally the biggest headache we have when dealing with Apple in an enterprise environment. This version of Adobe CC only works on MacOS Big Sur but the other department is still on High Sierra and this remote site is fully on Monterey. None of their projects are cross compatible because they're all on different versions of Adobe which aren't compatible with their OS versions.
User interface? Sure. Though W11 can look exactly like 10 if you want. I don't really care about changes in aesthetic though.
Sounds like an Adobe/corporate IT management issue. My only experience is with MacOs on personal devices. All companies I've worked with have used windows and updates were avoided until absolutely necessary.
Lol "I have no knowledge of this but it's definitely a management problem."
Thanks, but it's not. Adobe can't be updated past a certain point unless you update the OS. Can't do that cause the machine is too old? Better buy a new one. The point of being "too old" is much much younger than Windows PC hardware.
Windows is easy, just update it. Still on Windows 10? No problem. Still supported. The updates are also free lol for whatever that matters.
I'm not familiar with MacOS, but what's preventing Adobe from updating? Is it updating from the App store and apple just stops delivering the updates after EOL or is it that Adobe doesn't bother pushing updates for OS versions past their EOL?
In any case, it sucks that apple decides that a otherwise perfectly capable computer is no longer supported just due to age (like with phones I guess...)
The second one, you'll only be able to update Adobe on your old MacOS up to a certain version and then if you want anything further you have to update the OS to achieve the new range of supported versions. Unfortunately in a corporate environment you have a lot of moving parts and you can't just always update everything even if it's new enough to support it. Since projects and their constituent dependencies won't always be compatible.
This seems more an Adobe issue than an Apple issue IMO. I don't know how quickly the HW becomes "obsolete" in the eyes of Apple (for example, what's the minimum time from buying a Mac to it not being supported?). If this is short, yeah Adobe should extend further. If it's 5+ years, I kind of understand.
I'm not defending apple, I have no love for them, just to be clear.
Apple disables old apps claiming they aren't compatible with their new OS.
It literally breaks entire programs for dumb reasons.
Yeah, I know it's nothing new. Just an example of what Microsoft offers to people on his situation and how Microsoft won't suddenly backtrack on W12.