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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (24 children)

Biologically they produce it for their calves, the intended recipient. Just like a human woman produces milk for their babies. All mammals do the same thing. The only difference is humans take the milk from cows when their calves need it, not just for nutrition but for the nurturing as they naturally gravitate to their mother's udders. Calves are separated from their mothers by humans to stop them doing that and steal the milk from another species. There's nothing normal or acceptable about it

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

calves need it

for some definitions of need. but almost all calves manage to survive until their planned slaughter date, so the application of "need" here seems unwise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I said they need it for an intended purpose which is for nurturing as well as adequate nutrition. They also don't need to be alive, but they certainly want to be. It's pretty disgusting that you're defending this.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they certainly want to be.

you can't be certain about this: all of the research has failed to produce evidence sufficient to support the understanding of personal mortality in non-human animals. they don't want to be alive any more than they want to die, since they don't understand the choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They don't wish to die. This is very clear in their behaviour. They actively seek to avoid being killed, even though there's no escape for them. Many animal psychologists and slaughterhouse workers can verify this. They show fear and cower, try to escape, or even try to knock bolt guns away. They can smell blood of the animals that were killed before them, and they often see their dead bodies too. They moan desperately at the top of their lungs. They are sentient and highly intelligent animals. They know they're about to die and they exhibit a clear desire to live.

Even ignoring this, it's obviously in their best interests for them to be alive and not have their life taken away from them at a young age, just like it is for them to be with their mother and live a happy, healthy life, without harmful interference and exploitation by humans.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They don’t wish to die. This is very clear in their behaviour.

then it should be a simple matter to find an animal cognitive behaviorist to support this position. it's not, though, because behavior does not entail cognition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you now trying to claim that animals don't have cognition despite the fact they're sentient and intelligent beings?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

i'm saying they are not cognizant of their personal mortality. if you can get me a cognitive-behavior paper that undercuts this, i'd love to read it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

They know they’re about to die and they exhibit a clear desire to live.

where is your peer reviewed article?

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