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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

As a Real Programmer(tm) I have developed such a deep fear of anything time and date related that I would fully endorse dispatching an API call to the tz_database instead of attempting any fucking part of this.

Kids, it's fine to meme about silly stuff... but date and time is deadly serious, regardless of how careful you think you're being you are wrong.

Do you know how many timezones there are in Indiana? No? Look it up and scream in horror.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

IMO every datetime should be in utc, and variables for datetimes should either be suffixed "Utc" or have a type indicating their time zone (DateTimeOffset or UtcDateTime etc). Conversion to local time happens at the last possible second (e.g. in the view model or an outbound http request parameter). Of course that doesn't solve the problem of interoperating with other ~~morons~~ programmers who don't follow these rules, but it keeps things a lot neater locally.

Scheduling based on regional time conventions (holidays, weekends, etc) is just not great though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Throwing UTC everywhere doesn't solve comparisons around leap seconds. I'm sure they're other issues with this method, but this is kinda the point of "just use a library". Then it's someone else's problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm a .NET dev, I don't have a concept of "just use a library." Everything is a library. I don't mean "using int for datetimes is ok as long as you label it utc," I just mean "don't deal with time zones."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unix is the easiest format I’ve used. It’s easy to parse, it’s consistent, there’s not usually competing unix like formats, it converts perfectly to other time formats, most file explorers can immediately sort it correctly, and it’s clearly the date from which the universe spawned into existence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's alright, but real programmers use Julian UTC.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I also really like the Bitcoin block number. It will likely be one of the most provable records of time passing, but not as convienent for tracking or converting time.

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