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I condemn the racist politics of the right-extremist government of Israel and the social segregation and severe injustice it causes. What is your point?
There was this thing you all constantly choose to ignore, called the holocaust, that afaik not just a lot of antifascists see as a reason why Israel must exist, simply because otherwise the Jews will not survive capitalism.
But I´m having so much fun with you guys here?!
Israel is an apartheid state, this isn't new, this isn't something that the current government did, this is the establishing principle of the state that has been held up since the start, calling an apartheid state "diverse" like you did in your first post is absolutely incorrect and is not close to the reality of the situation in any way shape or form, it's pure propaganda
having suffered in the past does not give a group of people free reign to commit those same acts against a separate unaffiliated population, having an ethnostate in the first place is not a good goal, but even if we said it was necessary, doing it through the ethnic cleansing and genocide of another group is not at all justifiable in any way.
treating things as if jews are simply different from regular people and could never survive as a minority in another country so they should not be judged by the same standard we apply to everyone is in itself an anti-semitic view to have, jews are regular people, committing genocide and ethnic cleansing is bad, whoever does it and however noble their goal is doesn't change that fact.
I of course know and absolutely condemn that, again what is your point?
Nope, Israel is the most diverse country in the whole region without question and it is also also the only democracy in the region. Other countries in the region are monarchies or (often military) dictatorships. On top of that, Israel is also the only country in the region that has womens and LGBTQ+ rights written into it's law, while in all other countries in the region women are being oppressed second class citizens and LGBTQ+ have to fear for their life constantly.
Agreed but sadly, when we look at history, it seems to happen quite often, no matter if we like it or not.
I fully agree with that statement. However this does not justify generalizing all Israeli citizens as child murderers.
I fully agree with you that jews are just people like everyone else but we should also consider the regular antisemitic pogroms that happened throughout history, which are an obvious motivation for a community to get their own safe space in the world.
Absolutely agree. Please keep in mind that I in fact never apologized any of the crimes of the IDF or the illegal settlers. All I did was criticizing the antisemitic generalization of all citizens of Israel as casual child murderers. Sadly it seems like most people's opinions are simply too polarized to get such nuances at this point.
South Africa is diverse and was so during apartheid. This doesn't make it any less of an illegitimate apartheid state. In fact it makes it worse.
The zionist entity actively rejects that diversity by declaring itself an exclusively Jewish state. Palestinians can live there under various degrees of apartheid but they will never be considered equal to the Jewish population.
The zionist entity occupies the entirety of Palestine as well as parts of Syria. On that territory lives more than seven million Palestinians. Two million of those are considered citizens of the zionist entity and although they are systematically discriminated against and harassed they are allowed to vote.
In addition to the seven million Palestinians living in Palestine, more than three million Palestinian refugees lives outside of Palestine and are being denied their right to return to their homeland by the zionist entity.
Of the zionist entity's population seven million are Jews.
Why all of these demographics? Well, of a population of seventeen million, Jews make up a minority. However while all seven million Jews are allowed to vote in the zionist entity's elections, only two million Palestinians are allowed to.
As a result result of having elections only for the elite ethnic minority, politics of the zionist entity has moved to be dominated by far right Jewish supremacists.
How democratic is that? How democratic is a state that explicitly and unapologetically declared itself to be a state for a minority of the population?
Palestinians enjoys very limited political freedoms and are severely hindered in their abilities to express themselves. They can get convicted by zionist courts for the crime of posting on social media that somebody has been murdered by the occupation forces. Even passively consuming "terrorist" media can land you in jail.
Calling the zionist entity democratic is to make a mockery of the concept of democracy. But even if you believe it to be democratic, how does that justify settler-colonialism and apartheid?
The zionist entity is pretty unique in the world by still having miscegenation laws. A Jew and a Muslim cannot legally get married in the zionist entity. All family law is governed by theocratic and unelected conservative religious institutions, creating separate legal systems for each religious demographic, no matter whether the individuals getting married shares these strict religious beliefs or not. As a consequence, there is no such thing as civil marriage in the zionist entity either and certainly not anything like gay marriage.
The zionist entity is a casual child murdering entity. Zionism is an ideology enabling casual child murdering. The evidence for their evil is overwhelming. But for the people of the zionist entity you can't really generalise any more than you can with any other population of millions of people. Each of them have the same potential to be good morally upright human beings as anyone else. With that being said, election results and polls suggests that a large portion of that population of the zionist entity subscribes to deeply racist Jewish supremacist ideas. This doesn't mean that they all share these views or that those who do cannot be deradicalised or that these beliefs are essential to Judaism rather than being offshoots of western imperialism.
Opposing apartheid systems is not racist. Opposing apartheid ideologies is not racist, even if those beliefs are prevalent among a certain ethnic group.