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Non-human animals aren't moral agents. This is like basic stuff, c'mon.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6404642/
Are you sure?
Literally in the abstract
And further in the introduction
But yes, I am fairly certain that no non-human animals has the mental facilities to be true moral agents. Especially because this is something a significant chunk of humans struggle with, and no animal comes close to us in terms of abstract thinking and that kinda stuff.
I see animals acting in moral ways and that is interesting and should, in my opinion, be more widely known. Maybe ypu don't need abstract thinking to have a sense of justice or sympathy or patience? Why do you place humans so far beyond animals when we are also animals?
Can an animal understand the moral implications of the exploitative logistics chain of creating a smartphone and your part in it as a consumer? And what alternatives could be used in its stead? From environmental, to exploitative of the workers, to the health issues of resource extraction or factory work. Or about the ethics and consequences of fast fashion, or political policies or phenomena such as universal healthcare or gentrification?
If you are incapable of understanding the structural reason for why someone does something, I think it's fair to say you cannot be a moral agents. Stealing is bad, yes, but is stealing bread because your children are starving bad? Is stealing still bad when the laws and moral framework that is set in the society determined by those who get rich off of exploiting the same people who steal? I think it's fair to say you need a lot of abstract thinking to fully comprehend these scenarios.
So industry, agriculture, modern tech, oil use, anything that harms the environment is non vegan, yes? That makes perfect sense.
I get you are being intentionally obtuse for some fucking reason, probably to absolve yourself of your own moral harm you are causing, but yeah, veganism is about reducing harm as much as individually possible. Is it really that hard to understand?
Because your logic is twisted and makes no sense. Maybe reevaluate your conclusions based on fallacies and anthropomorphized creatures.
They don't have agency. Which means it's fine to eat them. Thanks for confirming.
Moral agents and moral subjects are two vastly different things
I never said moral. I said agency. Morality is a human construct and irrelevant to the discussion.
while both are constructs, i only regard the construct of moral agency as valid. moral subjects/patients muddy the waters too much.
They don't have agency. Which means it's fine to eat them. Thanks for confirming.