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Tesla Vision fails as owners complain of Model 3 cameras fogging up in cold weather::A number of Tesla owners have taken to Reddit after their front cameras fogged up and stopped working in cold weather, leaving several features, including the US$10,000 FSD Beta, inoperable. Tesla has declined to assist to these customers, despite many of their vehicles being covered under warranty.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they're pretty great in most ways. They are one of the most energy efficient EVs, they are the most fun to drive of all the EVs I've driven (best acceleration and handling), I love not needing keys anymore. I love being able to control my car from the app. Tesla has almost twice as many high speed charging stations as every other charging company combined. They are more affordable than most other EVs. The lane assist is better than any other car on the market. Sure Elon is a dick, but Tesla has some adults in the room making good design decisions. It's certainly not perfect but it's a solid choice if you're looking for an affordable, fun, and efficient car.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are more affordable than most other EVs.

This is definitely not true. Teslas are expensive, and you have so few models! The Model 3 will go for about 520K here. I could get an Opel Mokka for 40k less. If I'm not aiming for an SUV but just a standard car, then a Peugeot e-208 costs 240k. I could get two of those and still have money to spare, or a base-level Tesla.

If I wanted a battleship more akin to a Tesla, I'd probably go for the Volvo XC40. A car that actually works if it rains on it, and doesn't try to murder cyclists. Or perhaps a Toyota bZ4X, since Toyota has crazy good warranty on their vehicles. If I wanted luxury, then Polestar has that base covered.

The nice thing is that these are all established and reputable companies, they've been in the business for many, many years. They're well known, and don't pull things like "well maybe you shouldn't let your car get rained on."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The affordability is probably more US centric. Because they are made in the US using mostly US parts they qualify for huge tax rebates. I got mine for about $28k which beats most of the EV market here, and is a fairly good deal even for an ICE car.

Most of the other companies you mentioned don't sell cars in the US so I can't make much of a comparison but I'm glad Europe has a better variety of EV options than the US. Seems like more companies are switching to EV every year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That makes sense. They're not exactly prohibitively expensive here, but they're not a good value for your money. Particularly not with the dealers (being Tesla themselves) monopolising repair. All that coupled with the fact that they're trying to skirt regulations and doesn't respect workers rights makes them an incredibly shitty company, and if you buy a Tesla here you're equally shitty for supporting them.

The way they operate today should disqualify them from the EU market.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are more affordable than most other EVs.

This is definitely not true.

As a quick point of comparison, lets compare a Mach-E to a Model 3 in the US.

  • The Mach-E starts at $43k and is eligible for a $3,750 tax credit, bringing it's cost to $39,250. And that is before the dealer fucks you over.

  • The Model 3 starts at $39k and is eligible for a $7,500 tax credit, bringing it's cost to $31,500. And there is no dealer to fuck you.

The Tesla is the much more economical car.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Compare something like an MG4.. £27k, so about $33k. Model 3 base model is £39k, so $48k.

US Tesla price is subsidised like crazy..