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Matrix vs. XMPP, Security, Privacy, Apps, Efficiency ? (www.youtube.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I recently saw Alex's video about XMPP and I got curious.

I am using Element and Schildichat a bit, trying Element X and curious about the new Development here. It seems vibrant, they rewrite stuff in rust, the Apps are fancy and all.

But I tried Conversations and it seems based too, has transparent encryption, it is damn fast, usable, supports groups and files and all. Probably doesnt use the latest fancy Android SDKs but it seems solid.

I was surprised about how fast it was, as Matrix drastically varies per server. But also I found many dead communities, and in general I dont see XMPP at all, while many Projects (if not using Discord, bruh...) have a Matrix room.

How secure is OMEMO in todays standards? Or OpenPGP, compared to Matrix or Signal Encryption? I heard it also has rotating keys and all.

There are other things, like permission systems, chosen federation, privacy, bridge support and more, that are interesting. Are there advanced modern WebUIs for XMPP you like?

I saw that it uses up waaay less resources, why is that? Really, is "simply encrypted mail" somehow worse in an important way?

Similar to IRC, where I never found nice usable apps for my taste, I thought XMPP was deprecated, but that doesnt seem so?

What can you tell me about XMPP, is it modern, secure, privacy friendly?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can use Movim just fine in any browser and it has voice and video calls.

Dino also has it and it can be installed on Windows although that is still a bit experimental.

Modern standard voice calls for Gajim are (finally) being worked on as well.

Xmpp client development is far from dead. There are several very interesting new clients being developed and are in preview or should be released soon, like Moxxy and Prose.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you wrote all of this to agree that there is no VOIP supporting windows client. despite them having been in development for more than a decade . I have personnaly checked with gajim developers about VOIP support on windows and they confirmed they are not planning on working on it. xmpp doesn't belong to 2020(s)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Movim is a PWA app, which is basically the same if not better than the Electron wrappers that Element, Discord and all the others are using on Windows.

Client development on Windows just plain sucks, and most normal users prefer browser clients anyways.

As for Gajim: there is an external developer working modern audio calls on it since a few weeks, and it sounds quite promising so far.