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Nope, this is the most important issue for me. It overrides all other concerns.
Why is it the most important issue for you?
The thing that has the most direct and pressing impact on my life right now. A ban on open source AI would be like a ban on watching television.
I must guess you cannot get pregnant, aren't a minority, as well as are wealthy. Otherwise I cannot see how this can ever be true.
That second one doesn't matter when it comes to abortion because guys also have wives and girlfriends who can get pregnant and it's pretty important they can abort when they do. Acting like abortion isn't something that impacts men as well is nothing just isn't the truth.
And I'm not really wealthy, but I live a pretty slimmed down lifestyle with very few expenses such the money is not a direct concern.
When there are no pressing issues for me to vote for those things become stuff I would vote along the lines of, and I side with a Democrats on all of them.
But I'm not some idiot who's going to vote for the sake of other people, I vote for issues that matter to me and nothing else.
Don't fuck with AI (and continue funding Ukraine) and I'll be on their side. Simple as that.
That's quite a long winded way of saying, "fuck you, I got mine."
Well no, I don't got mine, quite the opposite. "Mine" is literally in the process of being banned.
I'm saying "fuck you, if you act against my interests I'm not voting for you"
And I'll stand by that to the end. When "mine" is no longer under threat I'll vote for Democrats every day of the week.
Your health, life, and freedom isn't under attack like those groups listed. All you care about is if you get a fancy new toy, and to hell with everyone else's rights.
AI isn't just a toy. It's a potentially world changing technology and the government wants to ensure the common person doesn't have any control over how it's used.
Denying access to the common person will be the largest act of theft of power from the people to big companies this century.
And like I said. I'm not an idiot who votes for other people. I vote for my interests. Banning AI makes that my interest. Without such a threat, I'll vote for other common goods, because those benefit me as well.
Like I said, epitome of, "fuck you, I got mine." You don't care about the rights of other's because yours aren't under threat.
Except something I want is under threat.
You're just pissed I don't prioritize issues that don't effect me when issues that very much do come up.
And I've seen enough of the world to know how that goes. If you don't stand up for what matters to you, nobody will and everything you have will be slowly eroded away.
Reading comprehension, you lack it.
Your life, liberty and health aren't under attack, so you don't give a shit about the life, liberty, or health of others. That's what, "fuck you, I got mine," means.
Edit: Also, the irony of you talking about, "everything you have will be slowly eroded away," while proudly saying you don't care about the erosion of the rights of others is not lost on me.
Yeah, that's just you being pissed I don't vote for other people before myself.
Fuck you got mine would be if, on knowing issues I don't care about are resolved, I started voting against people's rights.
This is "fuck you, don't got mine". Once I got mine the fuck you will go away.
But you've said it yourself, you would vote against other people's rights if it meant fewer things, "getting in the way of open source algorithms."
Well, I wouldn't vote for AI if the advancement of AI required we don't mandate police cameras.
But it doesn't. The Democrats can easily both support rights and AI. It's their choice not to and if they make that choice they lose my vote.
Need I remind you of your initial comment?
No exceptions also includes even if the person running against Biden wants to take away your right to vote or bodily autonomy.
Edit: I think you're starting to realize that you've blustered yourself into a corner.
That doesn't contradict what I said at all.
You've said, repeatedly, that you would vote for AI over rights. It's your single issue, and have even pointed out that Democrats can support both, but if they don't support AI you'll vote against them regardless of what their opponents support.
Yes, because that's my primary issue.
If it was some other issue I'd flip flop my vote based on that. If I didn't have any issues like that I'd vote on the "generic best party" and generally that's the Democrats.
If I were voting against people's rights I'd just always vote straight ticket Republican.
You've made it clear that you would vote Republican if the Democrats don't support AI.
And since you have said it yourself that it would be voting against people's rights to do so, you've made it clear that you are okay voting against people's rights if it means voting for AI, which is exactly how the rights of everyone get eroded.
Why not vote for the sake of other people when their lives, health, and safety are on the line?
Because I've seen these things work and I know for damn sure that if those people have a chance to vote for me they wouldn't do it in a million years.
I've learned better than the trust narratives of how you should be a good person.
All I will get is yet more rounds of talk about how everyone else needs help while all the issues I actually care about are left to wither and die.
So fuck them, I'm voting based on the issues that I feel are important and impact my life.
People are dying because of conservative policies but you think AI is more important than that. That’s sad. I would vote for you if your rights were being denied.
I sure hope you are a strawman account because you are an idiot if this is who you are.
The idiot is the person who votes based on other people's priorities.
If you want to believe garbage about some impending Christian fascist state you're more than welcome to, but reality is quite a bit more mundane.
If we end up in a fucking concentration camp together I am shiving you. You stupid motherfucker.
You can shiv me in your doomerist fantasies.
Aint doomer, just a very big follower of hope for the best prepare for the worst. Has kept my kin and ancestor alive in the past will do the same in the future. But then again I aint the retard who's more worried about useless tech junk that'll probably have minimum effect on society as whole.
I probably wont convince ya of jack and or shit, but what I can do is point out that not looking out for other folks usually ends badly for people. A shunned man is a deadman.
Acting like everyone ending up in concentration camps is without question doomerist.
So does letting the government put the most revolutionary technology of the century in the hands of big tech. The Democrats choose their policy. If nobody swing votes and you all expect the world to blindly vote Democrat they'll get away with shit they shouldn't get away with.
The ideal scenario is that there are enough people like me that the Democrats think twice about being overbearing and still win regardless.
Concentration camp is just one of many possible scenarios. Regardless LLMs aint the most revolutionary tech of the century, its just one of many tools currently being devoloped, Its just hyped to shit cause its fancy and most folks dont care to understand how it functions.
You really do come across as one of those gormless tech bro wannabes who latch onto every flashy bit of tech you come across. Like solar roadways, or the hyperloop, or the thorium powered car.
It aint revolutionary dumbass, its cleverbot with a fancy coat of paint, new buzzwords, and some impressive but inconsequential improvements. And thats just the chatbots, the "art" bots a pretty much the same though using key words and association to create a rather impressive collage.
Frankly if ya want revolutionary tech go look at some of the new nuclear reactors being researched, or new biofuel refinement methods, or fuck even organ cloning. None of them are glamorous but progress rarely is.
Oh it is though. Not LLMs, they'll probably go out of date soon. AI is the thing that's revolutionary. Only second to genetic modification, but AI and most other forms of human advancement will likely be hand in hand.
This is irrelevant but I didn't buy the crap on any of those.
Or crypto.
AI is actually producing results. It's in use as we speak. It's producing real value. It's not some fantasy far off thing. You can use them today.
And you probably use AI every single day when you open your phone and take a picture. You'll eat these words, and when you do you'll hopefully have access to the tech yourself, because otherwise Mister Microsoft will control who can and can't succeed in the world.
Dude im using a beat up s7 so in lucky if the camera wants to work, im sure as shit aint getting ai on it and its updateless crap.
And secondly I really want nothing to do with "AI" (fucking hate that marketing labeled it that) and I kinda hope it all falls in on itself longterm.
Short of it working as generally software improvements or added tools its looking to be at best a new tool for corporations to exploit us with. Hyper targeted ads and all that. Frankly I severly doubt its gonna lead to much more than some slightly imporved automation for manufacturing. It will probably crash face first into a wall once computer tech starts hitting the power limitations for computation again.
Short of biotech allowing us to combine organic brains and computers I suspect we're already approaching the "AIs" limit.
Also can we stop calling it fucking "AI" at best its simulated intellegence theres a fucking difference ones sapient or maybe even sentient and the other is just a really smart calculator
You understand AI has been a thing since like 2013, right?
Which is why we need this stuff to be open source
Whats your definition of AI here, cause I legit can't tell at this point. Are we talking algorithmic learning or are we just talking basic non-learning software that people call AI but is basically just a general improvement on say stabilizing video in a recording?
AI is a layname the field of deep learning. Systems that use data to create a function that performs any task.
There are other branches of machine learning but deep learning with neural nets blows them out of the water when it comes to "pushing the envelope", and aren't really what people think of when they think of AI- even if most use cases really don't need it.
I'd be against regulating those algorithms as well, but they're so boring nobody really cares and they'll always be available open source.
Even chat GPT and other LLMs are not learning as you use them. A really big and growing fraction of stuff your computer does depends more and more on trained neural nets.
Im aware of the fact their trained on neural net and yada yada, im just fucken tired and have hit the shit at words stage.
Also I realized that most of the focus for these laws and whatnot are probably on advertisement AI or atleast use in that way and maybe self driving cars. Training an AI to do open heart surgery probably aint on the chopping block.
Which makes me wonder if I should've opened with that point in my initial comment. Regardless I do think you're overreacting a bit on the political front. Frankly slowing R&D down a bit can be good a lot of folks rush shit and it redults in damages due to immature tech. As bad as the dems can be remember the best of the republicans are allied with technofeudal libertarians and christofascists. Dont let perfection be the enemy of good enough, if the price to pay for long term stability is slower R&D so be it. Rome lasted 2000 years by being slow and meticulous, Alexander the greats empire lasted a whole 5 minutes after his death cause he rushed the whole damned process.
Now im gonna go get food from taco bell before I get philisophical and insufferable, I like being a redneck bezerker not a fucking SoCal Socrates.
Biden hasn't crossed the line yet. I'm not reacting at all, just cautious and making my opinion clear as a way to (ever so slightly) encourage further regulation not to happen.
It's not slowing development. They're making sure the common person doesn't have access to it. They are going to ensure only big companies see the benefit.