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This may sound a bit weird, but it's a random thought I've had, does anyone ever feel like memes like this almost make us leftists come off a bit too idealistic and romantic?
Lemme clarify where I'm coming from here. As I get older, I'm in mg 30s now, I've come to the realization a lot of people don't want the life of a bohemian artist who's traveling constantly and does six different types of creative hobby. A lot of people want a kinda boring stable life with a house, a job that's rewarding but not too physically or mentally taxing, enough time off to take a nice vacation once or twice a year, and the resources to keep them and their family comfortable. I guess I say this cuz this is increasingly how I feel as I get older. Add this to the fact that I don't think FALGSC is coming anytime soon, if Mecha Lenin pulled off the perfect revolution today we'd still probably have a few generation of people needing to pull 9-5s before we got to the point we could all be space traveling poets like in Star Trek so maybe don't oversell what we can deliver to people alive now? Focus on shit an actual socialist government could achieve in our lifetimes, like public housing, more vacation time, free healthcare?
yes. having the same thoughts now
thats why UBI would be a better thing in my opinion. you get enough money to survive normally as a prerequisite but then you can also go to work if you want to save up for more luxury stuff, traveling or whatever you want to do
some people dont realize that a lot of us would still work, just with way less stress and as a bonus, not a basic necessity
UBI without some sort of partner program to de-commodity the things humans need to live (food, shelter, healthcare) and eventually things we need to live a decent life (education, recreation) would likely lead to a situation like in The Expanse where the "basic income" is truly basic, just enough to live off ramen noodle and rent a crap studio. What jobs there were would be hotly competed over since everyone wants more to life than microwaved noodles and playing the first Halo on a 20 year old Xbox.
Living off ramen and playing video games all day would be an upgrade for me since I already kinda do that but I also have a job
yes but as the other person said....thats already an improvement over how some live right now. its a very low bar to set but one that has to be. and theres people who would gladly live a life like that. gotta say tho....im not one of those as i would like to travel