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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Duck duck go protects you from this, correct?

Why would anyone use Google after this precedent?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Headquartered in the US so I wouldn't guarantee it.
This was against Google specifically but I would imagine it would hold up against any US based search engine they felt someone was using.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, they must respond to a subpoena. But they don't retain search records, do they?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In some cases they must retain the information. Like your ISP in the USA had to retain data for le purposes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your statement contradicts their stated policy, and I'm not aware of any such requirement in the US.

https://duckduckgo.com/privacy

IP retention is addressed in the first paragraph under "privacy policy", and it stated they don't save or log it.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you know? You don't control their servers

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your point is not unique: all websites require your trust.

So if that's your threat model you can't use any search engine.

But if we want to put that aside and discuss their stated policy, then the link I provided addressed the parent statement that

In some cases they must retain the information. Like your ISP in the USA had to retain data for le purposes.

Which directly refutes that there is any such requirement.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

You shouldn't trust any search engine. That's my point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In addition to being based in the US, DDG has had some issues with allowing Microsoft tracking on their DDG Browser. Their search does not have the same issues, but it might be wise to use TorBrowser to search anything you'd rather not explain in front of a judge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And remember there's a Duck Duck Go onion service: https://duckduckgogg42xjoc72x3sjasowoarfbgcmvfimaftt6twagswzczad.onion Proof: search on duckduckgo for "duckduckgo onion" and a widget appears in the search results.

Alternatively, set your tor browser to always prioritize onion addresses in the settings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think all search engines have this issue since law enforcement can step in any time.

The one exception might be proxy searches