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[+] [email protected] -14 points 1 year ago (25 children)

I don't fucking get on how Israel has never really tried forming a state in which both palestinians and jews can live in peace together.

This is not what Zyonism has done: Now there is no possibility for peace, there are only religious fanatics.

Hamas or today's Israel, both want to have it all.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They have. The issue is that their country was drawn up, by Europeans, without the consent of the people that were already living there. So the Palestinians, rightfully, don’t want any Israel to be there at all, on account of it being on land stolen from them.

I know a lot of the world is European living in stolen lands, but, surprisingly, none of the rest of the people give a single shot what happened in the last 500 years, they simply just want the intruders gone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the settlement started before British support which came later. It's super complicated.

edit: reasonable overview on Wikipedia of events leading up to Israel actually https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Bastardised simple summary is

Europeans treat Jewish people like shit for thousands of years
creates support for Jewish sovern state
languishes a while but antisemitism gets worse
in typical European fashion it is decided to just start settling where other people already live and force the existence of a country
ww1, Britain and France decide they know how to do a middle east. Results show typical commitment to stability and fairness.
settlement is supported by various and sundry European powers inc German Reich in lead up to and during ww2 because everyone hates Jewish people and wants to foist them off to some other, preferable brown skinned, person's country.
after ww2 everyone eventually gets mad at the results of this sensitive and thoughtful plan, including European supporters, neighbouring countries, Palestinans, and many Jewish people. Fear and hatred fuel dominance of increasingly aggressive right wing political parties.
everyone except the USA that is. Their government has a blast supply weapons after Britain and France wash their hands and claim guiltlessness.
land grabs and oppression intensifies

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