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I lost all interest the moment I saw that it has no dedicated GPU.
The upcoming 16 inch model will have a dedicated gpu.
Why would you want one in a laptop?
They produce too much heat
Plenty of laptops have dedicated GPUs, and framework is actually releasing one with a dedicated GPU.
Why would you want a laptop that can do some CPU tasks but falls on its ass when doing GPU tasks? Seems ridiculous to buy a laptop capable of only doing half as many things. Integrated graphics are garbage.
See my other comment on the matter
I'm not hunting for whatever comment you think I should be looking for, my guy.
It's the one you replied to.
They only produce heat if you're using them. Otherwise they run pretty ambient.
It's wild that you wouldn't want a GPU, since it makes the machine like 50% more capable.
Well I’m not sure how you can expect a response if I already answered what you said before you posted
Your other comment is stupid, and this one is worse
I'd imagine for graphics intensive tasks and they'll have to be moving the device around?
Then you would use an external gpu
So every time you move say from home to school you'd have to bring an external device? What's the point of that?
Yeah mean like how you’re bringing the laptop?
I’d also recommend an external drive of some sort, and a keyboard/mouse
By your logic then why aren't you just suggesting to pack and bring a desktop PC everywhere?
So someone needs the extra gpu power from a dGPU in a handy form factor like laptop and you suggest an external gpu for... what benefit? I don't get it. Seems like you've just made the moving around part more cumbersome for no extra benefit.
If you think moving around a laptop + gpu dock is more cumbersome than moving a desktop around then good on you
Compared to laptops with a built in dGPU then the benefits are lifespan, power, affordability
We were talking about why someone would get a laptop with a dGPU...
I'm getting the opposite results for power and affordability when looking at articles. Though for power it's just same as dGPU vs eGPU which probably wouldn't be the case, you could get a proper desktop GPU but that would also use more energy, so not ideal. Also the solutions seem pretty costly.
But the point is that there's definitely a good reason to have a laptop with a dedicated GPU. You want graphics power but you also want it in a laptop form factor for moving it around. Say you'll need it for school so you'll be moving it around five days of the week. eGPU might work if someone really doesn't want a dGPU and needs the GPU power, but it doesn't seem like the handiest solution. You might not want to deal with carrying more stuff and having to set it up almost daily. Just getting a dGPU would be much simpler.
What do you need a dedicated GPU in school for?
CAD stuff, GIS with fuckhuge aerial imagining stuff so far for just me personally, I'm sure other fields have ton of other stuff.
It has more power due to heating constraints
And being able to replace/upgrade the desktop gpu in your egpu gives it a longer life
I assume you would use a computer bag regardless
And you shouldn’t need that power every time you take out your laptop
You might not need full on desktop power though and since carrying a laptop might already be a pain you don't want to carry anything other than what's strictly necessary. Not to mention setting up the thing on your desk, some might not want to do that.
I'll give you that there's benefits to an eGPU but it's pretty situation dependant and what you value that decides which one you should go for. In any case you probably understand now why someone might want a dGPU though, even if you yourself would go for an eGPU.
Just the eGPU dock will cost you like $300
At that point, might as well get the Framework 16 with the 7700S for $400 more, since it's a slightly downclocked 7600XT which is already selling for $270 so it's a $130 markup compared to buying an expensive eGPU dock first
both are upgradable
You’re replacing not upgrading
Also if a new laptop is only $400 more than the graphics card in it then it’s not one you want
Framework 16 has an upgradable GPU, you're only replacing the GPU to upgrade the laptop. The laptop without the GPU is $1400 or so depending on the configuration
the $400 price is the price of the GPU module, when AMD releases more powerful mobile GPUs you can upgrade to a newer, more powerful module
How does the gpu heat not damage the rest of it?
The module includes the fans and heatsink, each GPU module is responsible for its own cooling so there might be even longer modules that jut out from the back more for more cooling
Unless it's one of those that has an oculink connection, you wouldn't have enough bandwidth on the USB 4 port to be able to game on it at full speed
Personally, I would never game on a laptop? It's an expensive way to get cruddy performance.
I've paid $14 for 7 hours at a net cafe, would have saved money if I had a gaming laptop when I was away from home.
I wouldn't but my girlfriend does, despite me trying to explain to her why desktops are better. I don't buy laptops.