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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I have no clue why telegram is often mentioned when it comes to "privacy focused messaging". They don't even have e2e encrypted group chats. Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in. Even WhatsApp is more secure than that, since they use signals encryption.

Also the "we don't give out even a byte of data to anyone" statements made by telegram have been thoroughly debunked as lies. When telegrams bottom line is in danger, they have and will give out your data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Just curious, does telegram keep a log of our msgs? Im guessing right now, mitm attacks doesn't work since tls exists, but telegram can still read the msg cuz it's not e2e?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Yea, telegram being advertised as a privacy messenger is a joke. If people want to have group chats like in discord and don't care about privacy, whatever. But to try and flaunt how privacy focused you are while using your own home-brewed encryption is a joke. Not to mention the fact you have to turn it on for every chat you want end to end encrypted.

The whole thing about not giving out data is really only accomplished by spreading user data across several countries. So you would have to get a search warrant from every country to get the data, relying on some countries not wanting to cooperate with other countries. That is not real security. Real security would be encrypting it so you literally couldn't give them the data, even if they had a search warrant. Ya know, like signal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

well that section has a few not so effective services, like authy, and imo brave and adblock, to depict what people believe at that point. and telegram probably gets to be there because it's not the usual big tech companies, and it seems fine, even if unencrypted.

Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in.

and only on the phone app

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

well that section has a few not so effective services, like authy, and imo brave and adblock, to depict what people believe at that point.

Yes, this is the exact reason Telegram was put there. I even see Telegram recommended alongside Signal, despite the privacy risks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WhatsApp claim to use this. They do not show their code nor did they do any kind of audit. Therefore we have to assume that there is no encryption.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

or that some part of the encryption, like key handling is flawed. also, considering they have an RCE vulnerability every year, I wouldn't be surprised if the encryption keys could just be stolen remotely.

we also don't know if facebook has implemented some kind of analytics for message content, sent files and media.