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The Privacy Iceberg (lemmy.ml)
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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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(I tried my best)

The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On browsers, as you put Chromium then also put Firefox or deMozillaed Firefox e.g. WaterFox.

I'd put Brave back to the 2nd layer due to relying on Chromium and being heavily marketed while gathering data for its crypto scheme. I'd also put Firefox on the 2nd or 3rd layer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

FF doesnt deserve much better than Brave as it sends telemetry, so both on tier 2. LibreWolf would fit for tier 3 or maaaybe 4.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you trust this preference panel on telemetry? If not why not? If you do believe it is legit what do you believe it remains problematic?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol, no. Here's a list of all the things that panel doesn't account for.

https://forum.level1techs.com/t/browser-hardening-privacy-anti-fingerprint-and-anti-telemetry-guide/198039

Also, there's nothing close to even attempting privacy without strong fingerprint protection anyway, which I should have also mentioned. Vanilla FF allows a bright shining canvas fingerprint that Brave and Librewolf disable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what's that's supposed to show as "there are built in settings for some of this stuff, it’s not complete and many settings are abstracted away from the user. Enter about:config" since it might be hierarchical, i.e. disabling a single telemetry toggle, either via Preferences or about:config might disable all the other ones. I haven't looked specifically at that part of the code of Firefox but I'd trust more a Wireshark analysis than this since it doesn't actually show (unless I missed that part, quite possible as it's relatively long) that information does actually go back to Mozilla even while one has disabled all telemetry option.

Fingerprinting is fair, in the sense that yes, if you do broadcast your userAgent and other public information you do narrow the potential search space and thus expose you as an individual more, yet has nothing to do with Mozilla.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But we're taking about this in the context of this infographic. So we have to distill this down to:

Should FF be with, or above, Brave?

I assume we're also taking about relatively low-barrier changes that most users can implement. So vanilla FF vs vanilla Brave, there's a difference. Can we harden FF? Sure. Will 95%+ of people do that with Librewolf or 3 dozen other forks out there? Why bother when there's nuance to be gained with other forks? So now vanilla FF stops being relevant.

And to be clear, I don't use Brave unless I absolutely have to. I don't love it, but vs. normie Vanilla FF, there's a slight edge.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Up to you and OP but the fact that there isn't even Firefox or LibreWolf or WaterFox but there is Chrome, Brave and Chromium is problematic to me. At the very least Firefox should be there and IMHO below Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not up to me, I would have done the same as you suggested.