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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

PoE runs on 48V, it’s nontrivial to get that down to levels usable by a microprocessor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not free, but it's not really that hard either. You can even get fancy and use isolated power for some extra safety.

I'd like to see some more specialized versions of these boards. For instance one that trades the MIPI ports (which I have literally never found a use for) for PoE or some other feature that's more useful in a networking centric use case. In many cases I'd even be willing to give up a USB port for that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah well, that's like the whole area for the USB and Ethernet plugs taken up. You also definitely want an isolated one for a device that's supposed to be used by end users.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really not, you have a buck reg on board already, it's just the peripherals that need 5v and for a lot of that you can use linear regs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah there's a buck regulator on board, but the caps for it are far too tiny for 48V. The ones you need are much bigger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not... really. Remember the voltage rating increases but the capacitance itself can reduce so the dielectric just increases in size but shrinks in layers. Same energy, but since it's cv^2 you can actually reduce capacitance more.

You're talking about the bulk input tanks which need to be 100v, the rest of them past the inductor should be the same.

All thus being said, nobody will do this, not for a good reason, the guys who do power circuits think differently than the guys who do logic and their state space equations say it's not safe, which would be true for reactive loads but for this kind of logic it's mostly resistive with some obnoxious parasitic inductance and nasty switching noise that the supply caps would filter.

This is changing with the younger generation who don't have those prejudices.