this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2025
98 points (93.8% liked)
Fediverse
28930 readers
2502 users here now
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to [email protected]!
Rules
- Posts must be on topic.
- Be respectful of others.
- Cite the sources used for graphs and other statistics.
- Follow the general Lemmy.world rules.
Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Is there any instance other than Bluesky where people can register?
There aren't "instances" in the ActivityPub sense, where "instance" means single point of failure you're married to (its name is literally part of your identity) which is simultaneously responsible for keeping your data available and curating your view of the rest of the network; AT Protocol decomposes these responsibilities so that they can be delegated independently to different operators.
See https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture and https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/ for details.
There are many people running their own Personal Data Servers, AppViews, Labelers, and Feed Generators, but I'm not aware of anybody else running a large-scale Relay yet (which is one of the things this new foundation says they are planning to work on). I'm also not sure if you can actually create a
did:plc
using a self-hosted AppView or if maybe you need to usedid:web
to create a new identity without using their AppView currently.The fact that there still isn't any other relay besides thé Bluesky one isn't a good sign. If cost of running it is so high, how are enthusiast supposed to be able to run their own, and thus "own the town square"?
There are multiple other relays running, and its pretty cheap nowadays, lowest I've seen is someone running a full network non-archive relay for 23usd/month
https://bsky.app/profile/edavis.dev/post/3lfdtegyzs22i
Very interesting, thanks! Is it possible for people to register on that relay?
(if I understand correctly) you don't register on a relay, you register on a PDS (which you can easily self-host on a small computer at home). But, to register with a PDS, you need a DID, and to interoperate with the rest of bluesky it needs to be using one of their two currently-supported DID methods: either did:web or did:plc. The former is a thing which you can create using a domain you control, which gives you an identity that you lose control of when you lose control of that domain. The latter is the actually-centralized "placeholder" DID method implemented by an append-only log operated by BlueSky PBC, which is what most people are actually using. I'm not sure if/how you can create a
did:plc
without first creating an account on a bsky.app PDS, but you can migrate it to your own PDS after creating one there. or, you can usedid:web
and rely on your domain name registration instead of their centralized log.Further reading:
They can't. At some point you have to wonder if this is a feature not a bug. You'll always be beholden to the largesse of millionaires. Whether that's a charity or not.