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Trump has stated he will cut American aid to Ukraine, which makes a majority of total aid. Recently Zelensky stated that if Ukraine's only hope for sovereignty is its own nuclear arsenal, they will build it.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 week ago (15 children)

The irony is that Ukraine had "the bomb", but the US and its allies promised to protect them if they gave it up. Oops.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Since I see this claim constantly: where in the Budapest memorandum did they promise protection?

Looking at the Wikipedia summary nowhere does anyone give security assurances similar to NATO article 5 or the even stronger worded mutual defense clause article 42 TEU of the EU. The closest it comes to is in the fourth point, but that is only in the case of nuclear weapons being used. Which obviously hasn't happened yet. Beyond that it is just a promise not to attack, which Russia has broken, but every other singator has kept. And as far as I can see it does not contain anything that compells others to act on someone else's breach.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And that was the issue of the memorandum - it should've included something akin to Article 5

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

The issue is that as someone already mentioned i doubt something like that was ever truly on the table.

I think you can't give assurances like that in a vacuum. If a nation e.g. the US would grant them, they'd only do so while simultaniously building up a physical presence in the territory and possibly also do deeper integrations military wise. You wouldn't give such strong assurances while weakening your own ability to act on them.

For Russia that would have never been acceptable.

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