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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What's government enforced about it? Is ARM the only allowed chip designer for cellphones?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

license enforcement is a thing because if someone bypasses it you can sue them, which is a government interaction. Technically, claiming X means nothing if there's no one that enforces your claim.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes but that rule protects you the same as it does them. They can be a monopoly if nobody else can get their chips sold but they cannot be a government enforced monopoly unless nobody else is allowed to sell chips.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's your interpretation and that's fine but I understand that they have a monopolies because their patent is broad enough to be hard to create alternatives, and the patent is government enforced. That's how I understood it at least.

In any case, I don't really mind if you want to keep using your interpretation, I was just trying to rationalise what the other commenter said and explain what I though was their point of view to say what they said.

Have a great day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's not just my opinion. That's the definition going straight back to Adam Smith.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's not a government enforced monopoly. A government enforced monopoly means nobody else is allowed in the market. Like utility companies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Lots of Utilities are consumer cooperatives which is funnily enough Socialist, but the people working there wouldn't like to hear that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nobody else is allowed to sell these phones without licenses

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's called "monopolistic competition". They can't sell the same phone they were already making.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. I'm not saying it's not monopolistic behavior. I'm saying it's not a government sanctioned monopoly.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps I should sell some without a license.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay? The company will be the one to enforce their license.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I didn't agree to their license.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But that's not criminal. That's civil. That's no different than a contract dispute. It's not government enforced, but it may be government mediated.

You could disobey a civil summons....but that's a different issue.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Civil law created and enforced by the goverment is goverment sanctioned. And FYI it is also criminal, you can go to goverment-sanctioned private prison for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes. I don't know what you are arguing. I don't think you do either.

Contract violation is a civil issue, not criminal. I think you agree with that.

You cannot get imprisoned for violating a contract. I think this is what you're missing.

However if you are sued for a contract violation, you will receive a civil summons.

A civil summons is a court order. That is word of law, and wilful disregard or disobedience of a court order is literally contempt of court.

You can get arrested for that. But that's not getting arrested for a contract violation, that's getting arrested for contempt.

Do you expect contempt to not have teeth? It's literally the underpinning of all modern courts, that participants in it have respect for the truth and respect for the court. Of course the court and the government has to protect and enforce that respect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In case I was being unclear, it's copyright infringement that is also criminal.

And like I said, I didn't agree to the contract.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just stop. This is the same bad faith rabbit hole libertarians use to say the government is all violence, from safety codes to taxes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck off, it is violence whether or not we believe it's justified.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn and I nearly made it the whole year without this stupid shit in my life. Oh well, there's always 2025!

May you never learn what state sponsored violence actually looks like.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

State-sponsored violence isn't just concentration camps and gulags. It includes toiling your whole life to create IP for capitalists, while they profit by simply owning it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure thing buddy. Just put the shovel down. You're only digging yourself in deeper.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh no not my karma.

Anyhow, I hope you understand someday, no hard feelings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol, are you some sovereign citizen‽

The world doesn't work like that. You can't just say "No that thing isn't your! I didn't agree with it being yours."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Indeed, that's what makes it a goverment sanctioned monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, it's government sanctioned non anarchy.

Go to Antarctica or something if you don't like society.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We've had states for a lot longer than we've had copyright and patents.

As tempting as it is to move to ~~Somalia~~ ~~Venezuela~~ Antarctica, I'd rather improve my home.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you prefer medieval times then sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol copyrights and patents are capitalism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago