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Capitalism creates its own gravediggers (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Well I compare the extreme left with the extreme right since it is basically the same imho. Different reasoning for the mindset of "what's not with us is against us".

No offense, but this is a childish view of politics. The extreme left is categorized by trying to care for the entire population, the extreme right is categorized by intense nationalism, xenphobia, and brutal class stratification.

Communists committed the same crimes as the Nazis so of into the same cell and the key is best disposed of.

No, they did not. Read Blackshirts and Reds. The Communists and the Nazis represented entirely different groups, and the Communists dramatically improved the lives of their citizenry while the Nazis brutally crushed them.

And the other big problem with pure socialism:

Why hasn't it worked yet? No Utopia as of yet, only repression, human rights violation and death.

It has worked and continues to work. Read more than US state propaganda. Utopianism is anti-Marxist, Marxists advocate for Scientific Socialism.

It's as if the human factor is the point where there is change needed, not the system itself.

This is Idealism. What's considered Human Nature is expressed and reinforced by the system itself, the Mode of Production.

Read a book sometime.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"It has worked and continues to work. Read more than US state propaganda. Utopianism is anti-Marxist, Marxists advocate for Scientific Socialism."

Yeah...the DDR worked so well they had to build a wall to keep people from leaving the country.

UdssR worked also so well that the ex-member nations would rather burn than return.

North Korea is such an awesome system it also hinders it's people at leaving. Oh and the regular parades to praise the leader... much social yeah.

Uh and China...nice place to live? Yeah, I sincerely believe that but you say something, anything against the system? Ups...bye bye social points. And the internet is totally not censored. Tian'anmen square? Nothing ever happened!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah...the DDR worked so well they had to build a wall to keep people from leaving the country.

Yep, people would get free, high quality education, and then go to the west to make more money.

UdssR worked also so well that the ex-member nations would rather burn than return.

Wrong, actually. The vast majority regret the fall of the USSR and say they lived better under it.

North Korea is such an awesome system it also hinders it's people at leaving. Oh and the regular parades to praise the leader... much social yeah.

None of this is a point other than saying you aren't allowed to emigrate, which isn't even entirely true.

Uh and China...nice place to live? Yeah, I sincerely believe that but you say something, anything against the system? Ups...bye bye social points. And the internet is totally not censored. Tian'anmen square? Nothing ever happened!

  1. Social Credit is largely a myth, Capitalist countries have worse systems.

  2. Capitalist internet is also censored.

  3. Tian'anmen Square in April 1989 was actually peaceful, the conflicts and deaths happened outside the square itself, hence why there's a western myth that the CPC is somehow covering up a mass-Maoist protest against Dengist reforms, when the CPC acknowledges that hundreds of people were killed that day in the areas surrounding the Square.

Please, read. Anything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, people would get free, high quality education, and then go to the west to make more money.

So you shoot them for leaving the country because they got education in your system? Yeah...very social of you.

Wrong, actually. The vast majority regret the fall of the USSR and say they lived better under it.

Nostalgia: A mood triggered by discomfort with the present and filled with an indefinite longing, which is expressed in a return to a past time that has been transfigured in the imagination and whose fashion, art, music, etc. is revived.

i bet we're far better of than the UdssR was. Again: you don't comply? Ok Gulag for you!

  1. Social Credit is largely a myth, Capitalist countries have worse systems.
  2. Capitalist internet is also censored.
  3. Tian’anmen Square in April 1989 was actually peaceful, the conflicts and deaths happened outside the square itself, hence why there’s a western myth that the CPC is somehow covering up a mass-Maoist protest against Dengist reforms, when the CPC acknowledges that hundreds of people were killed that day in the areas surrounding the Square.
  1. maybe, ok. I don't see what the benefit is from that being a hoax.
  2. well you can look up nearly all warcrimes ever committed. Try using chinese Google to look up their warcrimes....whoops nothing there. Uighurs? No....nothing happening.
  3. Really dude? the Massacre is a myth or at least the covering up of it? C'mon...pray tell me you believe at least the moonlanding was a real thing
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

So you shoot them for leaving the country because they got education in your system? Yeah...very social of you.

The East was basically funding the West's education for skilled labor, so the West got all of the free advantage from the East's social programs.

Nostalgia: A mood triggered by discomfort with the present and filled with an indefinite longing, which is expressed in a return to a past time that has been transfigured in the imagination and whose fashion, art, music, etc. is revived.

i bet we're far better of than the UdssR was. Again: you don't comply? Ok Gulag for you!

Yep, the Soviet system had better metrics than the Capitalist systems.

  1. maybe, ok. I don't see what the benefit is from that being a hoax.

Red scare propaganda, the US is preparing for war with the PRC.

  1. well you can look up nearly all warcrimes ever committed. Try using chinese Google to look up their warcrimes....whoops nothing there. Uighurs? No....nothing happening.

You can search and even visit Xinjiang

  1. Really dude? the Massacre is a myth or at least the covering up of it? C'mon...pray tell me you believe at least the moonlanding was a real thing

There was no massacre on the square. There was lots of fighting and killing in the surrounding areas, between a few hundred and couple thousand people died that day when adding up PLA and rioter deaths, but the fighting didn't happen on the square. The west uses the fact that on Chinese sites there's no mention of a massacre on the square to pretend the CPC is saying it didn't happen anywhere.