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I have zero sympathy for Apple customers...
I find victim blaming counterproductive. It would be more helpful to discuss stronger consumer protection laws.
Why not both?
If you were in their shoes, you'd probably say otherwise.
I would never be in their shoes because I'm not that stupid.
Don't cut yourself on all that edginess.
I was like that too, in 2004 when I was a teen. “BUT THEY DONT EVEN GAMERS!”
Now I just replaced my six year old iPhone that still worked fine, just because I wanted 120hz and a better camera.
Sick burn bro. So creative.
Glad you thought so. 👍
We shouldn't blame the victims that society failed to properly educate. You're right that if people intimately understood apple the way you probably do, they'd never buy an apple product. I would argue, however, that it's a failing of education not an informed choice to be corporately cucked.
When people willfully choose to buy products from a known anti-consumer companies, they are victims of their own poor choices. They do know, and they choose to buy them anyway. I know because they'll freely admit this to me.
I hate apple with an intimacy and intensity you likely don't, but the alternatives are either equally indefensible or difficult for average users and thus also anti-consumer.
Just never buy an iMac, get a Mini or Studio with adequate RAM (you can add storage later) and a nice 4k monitor and you then get what you are paying for with some reliability.
I note that you only denigrate, and are not supporting a viable alternative.
No you can't.
I mean there are dozens. How about Framework? 🤔
Thunderbolt4 is perfectly usable in high bandwidth situations. WTF are you on about. Do you even compute?
Framework = Windows (consumer hostile in extremis) or Linux, fine for me and thee but user hostile for most.
You cannot call slapping on an external storage device "upgrading storage", WTF are you on about? Are you just completely unaware of what a ridiculous solution that is to a problem that the OEM intentionally created?
That is not in any way correct.
Linux is the opposite of user-hostile.
I run a De-Googled ChromeOS, which is user-friendly, and open-source and user-respecting.
You realize that Apple is the one responsible for you not being able to run MacOS on your preferred hardware? And that continuing to give them money guarantees that that hostility remains?
Oh I am very aware of how annoying and hostile it is to users: I repair computers, including macs.
I didn't write upgrade, don't twist arguments or it's bad faith. Adding TB4 drives to a workstation is just normal in the industry, don't take it out on me. In that situation it's no big deal, and yes all the gear is expensive to an amateur.
We are getting off the original point that someone trying to break into an industry has to hew to the existing standards, and those standards often use FCP ProRes files so you better give in. While your tone was contemptuous and dismissive, you seemed a little curious about why that might be. I have tried to address that.
Suggesting that a young professional trying to break into a decent paying job in the media production industry would use a chromebook or any version of linux for production is a non-starter.
If a Framework workstation (I had no idea they made one, thought it was all laptops) runs something other than Linux or Windows, I am curious what it could be.
Still, if you had to provide support for a wide variety of everyday users, I suspect your opinion on 'user-friendliness' would shift. Even Mint is problematic for most users as soon as they are required to step out of basic admin production. Windows is worse, unless you fully bend over for MS.
Now I have to get back to ungluing a shitty battery out of a shitty macbook., hidden by sleazy little pentalobe screws.
[Side note that "botched" means incompetent or clumsily made, i.e. intentionally broken.]
Can you add more about the requiring FCP for the industry? I tried to find market share information and I'm not sure how accurate it is but it seemed to say:
A vast majority of FCP using companies are American
FCP has about a 20% marketshare when it comes to companies using it.
Should there be some qualifiers to the statement that a macbook is need to work in the industry?
The thing about rational actors, is when given the same information they should make the same choices. I would argue that they're most likely, instead, just at the peak of mt. stupid
I'm not saying you will be.
Ehh…iOS is arguably the most secure mobile operating system (excluding something like GrapheneOS) currently on the market.
I don’t give a shit what brand you use, because I don’t have brand loyalty, but I can see valid reasons for why someone might want to use Apple Macbooks. Shitting on the consumer here does no good. All consumers deserve the same amount of consumer protection, regardless of which tech overlord they happen to purchase their hardware from.
I use one because I write apps for iOS and you can only do that on a Macbook. It doesn't make me a fanboi.
It absolutely does help to remind them that they're victims of their own poor choices.
By that rationale, we should be blaming those who picked a certain brand of hamburger meat for getting salmonella poisoning? I would think we’d want to push responsibility on the corporation and governmental oversight for change in food safety standards than mock those who got sick.
Is this hypothetical hamburger brand notorious for having salmonella in their burgers? Because yes. Absolutely.
Yeah, of course we would. This is a false dichotomy though. You don't have to choose one or the other.
I mean, it’s not really a false dichotomy though? Your statements suggest that we assign fault/root cause to the consumer. I’m suggesting we assign root cause to the manufacturer/lack of regulation. If at the end of the day, it’s the consumer’s fault they chose a product without conducting a comprehensive quality review of all components within the product they purchase, then the action of pushing government regulation contradicts that. Funding regulation doesn’t do anything to fix consumer behavior; i.e. root cause. But maybe I misinterpreted your statements.
As for your first statement, there are many problems with this reasoning. How can we reasonably expect consumers to perform comprehensive research studies on everything they purchase? If it turned out the specific manufacturer of Grade B wool that’s used for a certain sweater from a certain clothing brand is known for causing latent forms of cancer if worn for 2 years, that’s really on the consumer? C’mon now.
Besides, in this specific case, it turned out to be a catastrophic latent failure. It wasn’t even possible for an informed consumer to have predicted this sort of catastrophic failure.
Wrong. I'm saying they're both at fault. Thus, the false dichotomy.
We don't. A small amount of due diligence before they spend thousands on a product is all that is required. It's not like they're going to overlook the anti-consumerism that Apple is infamous for.
It doesn't matter what type of failure it is. The problem is that they often cannot be repaired, and that is intentional user-hostile design.
Not defending Apple for bad design, but this has happened before with displays from different manufacturers. The ribbon cable burning from a tight bend was also what killed my first LG Ultrawide.
The design problem extends beyond manufacturing mistakes and into intentional and user-hostile irreparability. Everyone makes mistakes, only Apple goes out of their way to ensure that you can't fix theirs.