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Sometimes, it's backwards (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] [email protected] 175 points 1 month ago (50 children)

"IT people" here, operations guy who keeps the lights on for that software.

It's been my experience developers have no idea how the hardware works, but STRONGLY believe they know more then me.

Devops is also usually more dev than ops, and it shows in the availability numbers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (14 children)

I've always found this weird. I think to be a good software developer it helps to know what's happening under the hood when you take an action. It certainly helps when you want to optimize memory access for speed etc.

I genuinely do know both sides of the coin. But I do know that the majority of my fellow developers at work most certainly have no clue about how computers work under the hood, or networking for example.

I find it weird because, to be good at software development (and I don't mean, following what the computer science methodology tells you, I mean having an idea of the best way to translate an idea into a logical solution that can be applied in any programming language, and most importantly how to optimize your solution, for example in terms of memory access etc) requires an understanding of the underlying systems. That if you write software that is sending or receiving network packets it certainly helps to understand how that works, at least to consider the best protocols to use.

But, it is definitely true.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah i wish it was a requirement that you're nerdy enough to build your own computer or at least be able to install an OS before joining SWE industry. the non-nerds are too political and can't figure out basic shit.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is like saying before you can be a writer, you need to understand latin and the history of language.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Before you can be a writer, you need to sharpen your own pencil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like informing yourself about the note taking app you're writing with a little more. It makes it a bit more obvious that it's kind of obvious but can have many advantages.

Personally though I don't really see upside of building a computer as you could also just research things and not build it or vice versa. (Maybe it's good for looking at bug reports?)

A 30 minute explanation on how CPUs work that I recently got to listen in on was likely more impactful on my C/assembly programming than building my own computer was.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you wouldn't want somebody that hates animals to become a veterinarian just because of money-lust. the animals would suffer, the field as a whole, too. maybe they start buying up veterinary offices and squeeze the business for everything they can, resulting in worse outcomes- more animals dying and suffering, workers get shorted on benefits and pay.

people chasing money ruin things. we want an industry full of people that want to actually build things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't really see the connection to my comment.

In this example wouldn't the programmer be more of a pharmacist? (The animal body the computer and its brain the user?)

Your statement is not wrong, it just seems unrelated.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

You should if you want to be a science writer or academic, which lets be honest is a better comparison here. If your job involves latin for names and descriptions then you probably should take at least a year or two of latin if you don't want to make mistakes here and there out of ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

weird, i studied latin and the history of language just because i found it interesting. i am always seeking to improve my writing skills tho.

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