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You do realize that that's why the DNC is currently getting away scot-free with genocide, right? Is there a line in the sand somewhere for you?
I'm so sick of this horrible take. You do realize that, of the two candidates who have a chance to win this election, neither are good for Palestine, but one is worse, right? It's not like Donald Fucking Trump is out there campaigning on cutting off arms to Israel and supporting Palestine.
You give me an actual viable candidate who has a chance of actually winning an election in the US and I'll give them my vote, but right now, what're you proposing? Voting third party? Why, exactly? Do you only value "taking a stand", or are you actually trying to do what's in everyone's best interest?
Does Trump have fascist magic that makes the bipartisan bombs stronger? Does Kamala have neoliberal magic that makes the bipartisan bombs weaker? Neither will be worse than the other for Palestine.
Even if it were the case that both were exactly identical, then you'd have to admit that your vote won't matter for Palestine, and you should base it on other factors, so why don't you tell me which of Trump's policies you're okay with having in exchange for the opportunity to take the idealistic stance in this election?
We can sit here and quote conflicting sources at each other all night, and it's clear that neither of us is going to sway the other, so we probably should just shake hands and agree to disagree, but fuck it, I'm not doing anything else, so I'll start. Here's one. Okay, your turn.
My point is that if the only thing you care about is not electing a Republican, the ratchet effect will mean the DNC will eventually become so right wing they commit genocide. Oh, shit...
Where along the DNC's journey to the right do you hop off? Is it never? When do you hop off the electoral trend and join the Revolutionary trend?
When we have a viable progressive candidate. Until then, I'm going to continue being a pragmatist and vote for the candidate that I think is better among those who have a chance to win, rather than waste my vote trying to make an idealistic point.
What edge could a progressive candidate possibly have electorally if the so-called progressives are so whipped that they'll support literally anyone who isn't nominally a Republican? You need to think beyond one election cycle.
If Trump and the GOP have their way, there won't be another election cycle. Maybe you need to think beyond this one, too.
Alright, think beyond one election cycle without being cowed by ridiculous alarmism. The status quo is great for Republicans, they'll continue to do their christo-fascist thing, but the idea that they'll just overturn elections is ridiculous and not founded in anything but an offhand comment Trump made that gets interpreted hysterically (what he probably meant was that, if elected, he would hit the term limit and he doesn't give a shit about whoever the next Republican is). If Trump was really passionate about being an autocrat, the Capitol riot would have been much more than the clown show it turned out as.
Gotcha, I'll watch while you goosestep with 99% Hitler instead of lifting a finger to stop anything because 99% Hitler is running against 100% Hitler, and 99% Hitler is acceptable to you. Pragmatic, even.
Well, I guess this conversation is 99% over, then.
Wait, does genocide not count for you if the victims are Muslims? Or are you denying that there is Palestinian Genocide right now, and America is supplying it? Which is it?
And what is this revolutionary trend doing? Is there a plan? Because "let's get Trump elected and hope for the best" really isn't a great pitch
There are multiple revolutionary parties you can join, if you want to. They all have mission statements, and none of them are "let's get Trump elected and hope for the best."
Ok. Which is yours? What's your pitch?
I recommend looking into the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) as well as Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), I've linked their programs. They operate differently, but have national presense. There are local orgs you can join as well.