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Dutch government to ban ASML from servicing installed wafer tools in China
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this post was submitted on 29 Aug 2024
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Yup exactly. The machine's serviceable parts need very specific and complicated techniques to produce. Whatever you think China can conjure together, they're gonna be dancing for around the same amount of time it took the US, Germany and the Netherlands to produce. So about a decade. Sure they got most of the machine already if I understand correctly, but that's like giving a broken iPad to a monkey. And don't feel bad if you're Chinese, it would be the same if any other group of people tried to make it.
And this is why they've been beating every hurdle the west has put up against them. Keep equating people to monkeys and wait for them to shit you on the face. Fuck the CCP, but there are probably more people than US, Germany and the Netherlands combined working specifically in chip manufacturing in China.
If you only ever think there's just one solution to a problem and everyone else are monkeys scratching their ass. You give them more reasons to beat the odds.
Keep it up though.
Tech has gotten cheaper since China got into the race and the whining on the other side has only made it more enjoyable.
Well it doesn't matter what I think. I'm not talking from the point of view of arrogance here.
In theory, it's a simple thing, you get one of various fancy metals like mercury or tin to get energized, and it will emit EUV. Can't do it cold, that wouldn't work. You can also just do a discharge between electrodes at very high voltage or current and it will also generate EUV. But that's not the only requirement. You also must make it from a point-like source somehow.
There are lots of ways to heat an atom but only few where that atom will emit EUV. And everything absorbs EUV strongly so can you make a laser? Nope. In a laser, the photons must remain alive enough to accumulate in the resonator and output when there are enough bounces. Each bounce out of thousands or millions will just absorb the photon. So that's not the way. And you'll have to think your way thru the problem like that until you manage to imagine a way that might actually work. Then you prototype it, test it, fail it, a thousand times. That takes years and billions of dollars. So my opinion is that it will take anyone a decade or more to reach just prototype phase. And it will take another 10 to have something viable. But I don't want to argue so I'm just going to block you ๐๐.
The whole problem is that every piece of technology China gets is immediately used by the CCP to enslave them better, it's why they revolutionized omni-surveillance, tracking and biometrics, and their first and strongest application for AI was monitoring their population for anything they consider threatening to their control (ie freedom).
It's why everyone hates China and wants to see them fail horribly, but don't hate India in the same way as they're nominally democratic.
Don't support genocidal fascists and cry like they're the underdog, nobody in history killed more Chinese than the CCP, not even Genghis Khan.