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If they're exclusively supporting the right wing candidate, they're not a centrist, then
Centrism within the context of an exclusively right-wing overton window is always going to functionally be right wing.
The overton window shifted more left than right, unless said centrist lives in Turkey or Russia
What do you mean by that? Where is the Overton Window sliding to the left?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/communism-millennials-capitalism-socialism-bernie-sanders-cold-war-yougov-a9188116.html
This is misleading. Most people do not actually know what Socialism or Communism are in the US (including people on Lemmy.world and other more liberalized instances) that think they know. What we are seeing is increasing polarization, fascism and Socialism are rising as a response to decaying Imperialism in the American Empire, as a consequence of decaying Capitalism.
Party-wise, the Democrats are running on the GOP platform of 4 years ago, while the GOP is running on overt fascism. American politics is more right-wing than ever before.
Under the asumption I am most people, can you give me the definition of socialism you prefer?
In addition to Cowbee's comment, the Prolewiki article on Socialism expands on it.
Socialism for Beginners
How Capitalism Robs The Developing World
What Exactly is Liberalism? (no, it's not about being "woke")
“Yeah Capitalism Is Bad… But What Can We Do?”
Socialism is, put at the most simple statement, Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. It is also, more abstractly put, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat in a transitional status towards Communism.
People often confuse Capitalist governments doing stuff for Socialism, and Socialist governments retaining Capitalist elements as the entire system being Capitalist. It requires class analysis of who is in power.
Do you have a different idea, or is this in line with what you currently understand?
It ends the same way. An authoritarian dictatorship of a small group that seizes total political power. It always ends this way, and no amount of people power will change that
Why? What are you talking about?
Anywhere that companies will cater to the left, why would they throw away profit otherwise? You're the majority now and they'll market accordingly
What do you think "left" means? Communists and Socialists are not the majority, nor are they being pandered to. Right-wingers like Liberals make up the majority.
You're kidding me, by your definition I'm center right
Yes, you are, presuming you support Capitalism.
That is not leftism, that is socialism
Don't redefine what leftist is just because you don't consider culturally left to still be leftist
Leftism starts at Socialism.