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I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable, and you wanted to aspire to be in life. Bill Gates, founders of Google Larry Page, Sergey brin, Steve Jobs (wasn't perfect but on a surface level, he was still at least a pretty decent guy), basically everyone involved in gaming from Xbox to PlayStation and so on, Tom from MySpace... So many admirable people who were actually really great....

Now, people are just trash. Look at Mark Zuckerberg who leads Facebook. Dude is a lizard man, anytime you think he has shown some character growth he does something truly horrible and illegal that he should be thrown in prison for. For example, he's been buying up properties in Hawaii and basically stealing them from the locals. He's basically committing human rights violations by violating the culture of Hawaiian natives and their land deeds that are passed down from generation to generation. He has been systematically stealing them and building a wall on Hawaii, basically a f*cking colonizer. That's what the guy is. I thought he was a good upstanding person until I learned all these things about him

Current CEO of Google is peak dirtbag. Dude has no interest in the company or it's success at all, his only concern is patting his pockets while he is there as CEO, and appeasing the shareholders. He has zero interest in helping or making anyone's life pleasant at the company. Truly a dirtbag in every way.

Current CEO of Home Depot, which I now consider a tech company because they have moved out of retail and into the online space and they are rapidly restructuring their entire business around online sales, that dude is a total piece of work conservative racist. I remember working for this company, This dude's entire focus is eliminating as many people as feasibly possible from working in the store, making their life living heck, does not see people as human beings at all. Just wants to eliminate anyone and everyone they possibly can, think they are a slave labor force

Elon musk, we all know about him, don't need to really say much. Every time you think he's doing something good for society, he proves you wrong And does the worst thing he can possibly do in that situation. It's like he's specifically trying to make the world the worst place possible everyday

Like, damn. What the heck happened to the world? You know? I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

CGP Grey refers to dictatorships in that video, not communism exclusively. Marx predicted a revolution of labor that would get rid of scarcity which was never realized by the Soviet system. If you read a bit about it you'll see that the so-called marxists never reached communism, as they kept pumping resources into the government, police and bureaucracy.

Communism. A utopian society without classes, divisions of wealth, exploitation or suffering. Members would provide what they could and receive what they need. The instruments of state, like government bureaucracies, police and military, would become unnecessary and would “wither away”.

Rules for rulers is explicitly about human behavior in heirarchy, not specifically anti communist. He mentions fascist dictatorships and monarchial systems as well. The solution for it is not necessarily capitalism in the video but commerce and democratic systems of voting.

Commerce is not inherently capitalist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

https://alphahistory.com/russianrevolution/marxism/

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/05/1012733811/capitalism-neoliberalism-america-ideology

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

CGP gray very specifically refers to democracies as well and explains how things like farm subsidies are used to buy votes. Maybe re-watch the videos.

And yes, CGP gray also indirectly explains why Marxists kept pumping resources into the government, police and bureaucracy. (Clarification: CGP Gray never mentions Marxists specifically, he just explains why leaders have to funnel resources to areas that help them stay in power.) It is inevitable in a system where you concentrate power in a limited group of people.

That is why distributing power between large number of independent capitalists and voters is the system that so far worked best, although still very far from perfect.

As long as humans behave like humans and are in charge, the utopian communism is as realistic as wizards in flying castles.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

~~The book he references in that video does not make the capitalist argument you are making and by my interpretation neither does CGP.~~ Capitalism is not inherently democratic as the market is unregulated by government. If you vote with your dollar, those with more money have more votes.

I've edited my previous comment with more context and sources, and now I see so have you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry if it is unclear, I am saying CGB Gray explains how corruption happens in leadership structures and why it is so difficult to prevent.

The opinion that this is why capitalism can work better than communism is entirely my own logical conclusion. I am not trying to claim CGP Gray said so.

Again sorry for the confusion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No worries! I'm just trying to clarify.

I also think you're referencing an older ideation of capitalism. I think what you're talking about is just commerce.

Check out that NPR article I posted earlier. People are changing the meaning of capitalism and it's helping them justify not taxing billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the terminology around this kinda sucks. I always have an issue with whether I should call it capitalism or not when I mean a heavily regulated version of it, including some social policies.

I just don't know a better word for it and it is difficult to concisely express what I mean without saying capitalism and hoping people figure out what I mean from context.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I immediately dislike calling it commerce for 3 reasons:

  1. Most people will not know what I mean so I will have to explain every time
  2. Commerce is an existing word that means something different so it will still be confusing in a different direction
  3. I, on principle, don't like abandoning words because some dumb group(s) appropriate them and try to change their meaning

I think I will try saying "regulated capitalism" from now on and see if it works better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Understood. Have a good day and thanks for mentioning CGP Grey, haven't thought about that channel in a while.