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Is this for real? I can't draw no other conclusion than US defaultism in trans activism gives a free pass to TERF politics in Europe. This kind of news from Germany cannot mean anything good.

According to Wikipedia:

In 2019, the German Language Association VDS (Verein Deutsche Sprache; not to be confused with the Association for the German Language Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache, GfdS) launched a petition against the use of the gender star, saying it was a "destructive intrusion" into the German language and created "ridiculous linguistic structures". It was signed by over 100 writers and scholars.[11] Luise F. Pusch, a German feminist linguist, criticises the gender star as it still makes women the 'second choice' by the use of the feminine suffix.[12] In 2020, the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache declared Gendersternchen to be one of the 10 German Words of the Year.[13]

In 2023, the state of Saxony banned the use of gender stars and gender gaps in schools and education, which marks students' use of the gender stars as incorrect.[14][15] In March 2024, Bavaria banned gender-neutral language in schools, universities and several other public authorities.[16][17] In April 2024, Hesse banned the use of gender neutral language, including gender stars, in administrative language.[18]

Here are the original Wikipedia references

  1. "Der Aufruf und seine Erstunterzeichner". Verein Deutsche Sprache (in German). 6 March 2019. Retrieved 5 April 2020.
  2. Schlüter, Nadja (22 April 2019). ""Das Gendersternchen ist nicht die richtige Lösung"". Jetzt.de (in German). Retrieved 5 April 2020. "GfdS Wort des Jahres" (in German). Retrieved 13 December 2020.
  3. Jones, Sam; Willsher, Kim; Oltermann, Philip; Giuffrida, Angela (2023-11-04). "What's in a word? How less-gendered language is faring across Europe". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  4. "Schools in Saxony are forbidden to use gender language". cne.news. Retrieved 2024-04-05.

I got into this rabbit hole from this news article

News article in German

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (11 children)

There is no good way to use gender neutral language in German. The language works differently than English.

So people came up with workarounds like putting stars in nouns to include both forms of the word for male and female but German grammar does not work well with this. There is also no good equivalent to using "they" as a neutral pronoun.

People still are trying to figure out how to make German more inclusive but this isn't easy.

Don't be ignorant.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Same in Italian.

Italian is heavily gendered, even inanimate objects have genders. A chair? It's a female. A door? It's a male.

It's not easy to modify a language; some people on the internet are trying using stars and other non-letters, but the result is ridiculous and nobody actually speaks like that in real life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In Dutch a door is female. Chair? Male.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Luckily it is almost completely irrelevant in Dutch whether a word is male of female. Heck, I am Dutch an I wouldn't be able to tell male and female words apart most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I speak Flemish and when I speak dialect it's pretty easy. When I say 'ne stoel' it's masculin. 'Ne deur' doesn't work so is femine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, in the Netherlands we mostly avoid having to gender anything but humans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

''De deur staat open. Doe je haar even dicht?''

I mean, you can't go without gendering if the language is like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Unless you say 'De deur staat open, doe je die even dicht?' It avoids having to learn those stupid genders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

So similar yet so different :)

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