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The antibacterial soaps also help create supergerms that can survive the antibiotic used. They should only be used in medical settings when necessary. The overuse of antibacterial soaps and antibiotics are going to help create more pandemics should enough bacteria become antibiotic-resistant.
That's very true, but also, the overuse of antibiotics on livestock dwarfs any overuse normal people are doing. We need to make the farmers stop, too.
Is antibacterial soap using antibiotics though? I thought it was just using something like alcohol to kill off bacteria and not an actual antibiotic.
They don't seem to use the same active ingredients as antibiotics, but the concern of bacterial resistance still apples.
"The [FDA] issued a proposed rule in 2013 after some data suggested that long-term exposure to certain active ingredients used in antibacterial products — for example, triclosan (liquid soaps) and triclocarban (bar soaps) — could pose health risks, such as bacterial resistance or hormonal effects. "
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-issues-final-rule-safety-and-effectiveness-antibacterial-soaps
There's another web page from the FDA entitled "Antibatcerial Soap? You Can Skip It, Use Plain..." however I can't open the link to see if there's mote talk about bacterial resistance.
They use antimicrobials and don't always kill everything when washing hands.
Friendly reminder people can stop eating meat at any point if they don't want to contribute to problems like this.
Your getting downvoted because bacteria exists regardless of farm/ag.
Yeah but they're not overdosing your broccoli on antibiotics.
Only insecticide
Probably, but only a fraction of what is used to protect the feed for cattle.
No they don't. The stuff they put in soap to kill germs has nothing at all to do with antibiotics taken to stop infections.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/aac.02312-18
You win this round. It does state that triclosan hasn't been allowed use in soap in the US for the past 7 years, though. So that's not in any of the soaps here.
Yeah, they don't use that specific ingredient anymore, however the same concern is still there. Some bacteria could survive the soap if everyone using said soaps don't wash their hands properly every time they use the soap.
If I recall correctly from a report early in the covid pandemic, regular soaps attach to the cell membrane of bacteria and to oils/debris on the hands. Physically rubbing your hands together for the 2 minutes rips the bacterial and viral matter apart and dislodges whatever other debris is on them and then the water pulls the soap and everything attached to it down the drain. There's nothing really for the bacteria or viruses to adapt to in that scenario.
Two minutes? Surely you jest? No one washes their hands for two minutes.
Lol, sorry I recently went to the dentist and the 2 minutes to brush your teeth was fresh.
Hand washing should be 20 seconds of scrubbing after lathering your hands in soap.
It's still dumb as hell. It's a moving target, with one antibiotic being replaced by another. It's impossible for any scientific study to show something doesn't cause super bugs since it would need to test against every single virus. They can only show that they DO cause super bugs against a specific one.
Plus, again, completely unnecessary in the first place. We need to stop fucking around with things like antibiotics in soaps, new chemicals on nonstick cookware, new types of plastics in our food containers, etc.
Well most of them use an alcohol, and that can't be stopped.