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TL;DR

  • Efforts like Graphene OS face increasing pressure from apps that refuse to run on non-standard Android.
  • The custom ROM project characterizes Google’s approach to device attestation as incomplete and flawed.
  • Graphene OS is prepared to take legal action if Google won’t let it pass Play Integrity checks.
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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I've never used contactless on my phone, I already had a contactless debit card. Why are you, and others, using their phones to pay?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Why carry a contact less card when you can pay with your phone? Have you given it a try? I find myself without a card in lots of situations. Paying by phone is incredibly convenient. Lot harder to lose than a card too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it has an upper limit though as I discovered after cycling to the garage to pick up my car with just my phone. Triple cycling joy that day 🙄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yes this depends on the linked card, the software you are using and sometimes vendor limits. Many banks have a cardless withdrawal from atm option as a backup if there happens to be atm nearby. These can have pretty high limits. There are also card generating apps like cash app where you create a cc number on the fly. In a pinch most vendors can easily split the cost of something across different cards if one is maxing out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A contactless card barely takes up any space. It's not particularly easier to lose either. I've never lost my card; I just keep it in my wallet, in my pocket, just like my phone is in my pocket.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

You know what takes up less space? Software on the phone that I'm already carrying.

There have also been occasions where I forget my wallet but still have my phone to pay with.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Easy with one card, but it’s a different story when you have multiple cards. Transit pass, loyalty cards from grocery stores for discounts, credit cards for cash back rewards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'd still carry my debit card if I used phone, just in case I lose one while out and about. I think I'd be more likely to notice my phone is missing but more likely to lose the phone in the first place.

I've never tried it in part because I don't trust my phone with it's proprietary software, and I suspect there may be no open source apps to pay with.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Lazy.

Just plain lazy.

I already have my phone in hand in shops - shopping lists, reminders or even plain taking my mind off the shelves so I won't buy unnecessary shit. Then I get to checkout and...my phone is already in hand. Just boop it and done. No need to dig out wallet from pocket and then dig out card from wallet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's no need to carry your cards if you already have your phone.

Also, unlike your wallet, if you lose it you can track it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you not carry cash? My cards go with my cash, which I would carry anyway even if I could pay by phone just in case I'm out and lose one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

No I don't. It's all contactless here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

the app hides the real numbers for the credit card and gives the POS a mock id to make the purchase. it's harder to clone. also you need to unlock the phone for it to work it's an extra layer of protection

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Giving a mock card sounds useful. I've looked into that for paying online but I couldn't find an open source way to do it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure all contactless forms of payment work like that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've never used a contactless debit card. I already had a chip and pin debit card. Why are you, and others, using your contactless card to pay?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My Chip+PIN card has an RFID chip. Standard in Germany. Why would I tell, much less trust, google with my banking. Why would I let them skim data and/or a percentage off the transaction. Why would I choose a system with spotty acceptance, whereas I can use my girocard everywhere. It also doubles as 2nd factor for online banking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I didn't choose, my bank gave me a contactless card when my last chip and pin card expired (the card still has chip and pin which I use when contactless fails).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can create a virtual card before every trip, use it via my phone and then cancel it after the trip, never worrying if my card got skimmed anywhere for one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

when you pay using the virtual wallet it automatically makes a mock id to the POS ... at least in my country it does

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Ehhh I'm not sure how I got skimmed. Better safe than sorry now, a deleted card is pretty foolproof

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

For some fucking reason there is zero option for this type of secure virtual card in my country. And I hate it. A friend got skimmed for over $1200 a couple months ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I find it super convenient.
Also, it doesn't have a limit. Pretty sure I bought my last car with contactless on my phone, but that was years ago.