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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (22 children)

I think AI art is comparable to photography. Photographers do a lot of work behind the scenes to get everything set up, the equipment, lighting, angles, lenses, etc, But at the end of the day, the only action they're taking to capture the art is they press a button, it's not nearly the same amount of work that a painter or a musician puts into their art. So I think the idea of "capturing" art is still a valid thing. Sometimes a photographer can capture an award-winning masterpiece with a spur-of-the-moment photo on some shitty disposable camera. Maybe it took them 1000 bad photos to get that one photo, but they still just captured it from somewhere else, they didn't create the work.

Similarly with AI, a person may have to work with the AI software to setup and craft the prompt that will eventually generate the art, then there may be dozens of iterations of that and fine-tuning to get the result they're imagining, and even after that there may be some photoshopping involved to get it to where they want it. They're capturing artwork from a source that may not be their own creation, just the same as photographers. I think AI art is just as legitimate as other forms of art, it's just open to a wider range of people that can participate because many of the physical hurdles (equipment, space, time, lighting, etc) are not as much of an issue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (11 children)

I think what you're describing is more like 3d rendering.

IMO using AI is more like directing in a film. You're not the one creating the art, and the level of control you have is restricted to providing guidance and retrying.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

So would you say film direction is not an art form?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd say it's a grey area, like AI prompting
You're not the one implementing the final result, you're just providing guidance to other(s) who produce the final piece of art.

If there is artistry in that, it seems like it'd apply equally to directing as it does to prompt engineering.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can recognize the style of good film directors. I think it is certainly an art.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't necessarily disagree.
The style of a director is the common set of guidance that they provide to the artists who do the work of making the film (eg the actors, the grips, the editors, the lighting, the markup, etc).
Likewise someone who uses AI to make art can have common things they seek in all the AI images they generate. Common things they include in their prompts to push the images to appear in a particular way.

They're not the same but there is enough commonality that criticism of one mostly applies to the other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Therefore, AI art is art. Whether it is ethical is another story.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI art can be art, anything can be art. But I would say I don't consider most AI images to be art.

But the ethics of AI is a far more important discussion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I agree. "Can be" might be a better way to put it.

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