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The Best Encrypted Messengers in 2024 (blog.thenewoil.org)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I am a firm believer that there are many privacy techniques you should focus on before encrypted messaging because they will offer you much more “bang for your buck,” things like good passwords, two-factor authentication, and even encrypted email. That said, I still believe that encrypted messaging is a critical part of a well-rounded privacy and security strategy. While the vast majority of our day-to-day conversations may be benign, it can still offer a lot of insight into who we are as people – our routines, likes, and personal thoughts. This information – mundane or not – is worth protecting.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was a conscious decision for them not to enforce E2EE by default. https://web.archive.org/web/20211215132539/https://infosec-handbook.eu/articles/xmpp-aitm/

XMPP clients have like 10 different implementations because of that and are not always consistent with each other or even function universally across platforms.

But I'm not an author. That would be @[email protected].

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The article you linked is a highly misleading nothing burger. And enforcing e2ee at protocol level is a bad idea for many reasons.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That's what encrypted messagers are...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Messengers are not protocols. They use protocols. Most XMPP clients use the same encryption scheme Signal does only without being dependent on a single specific server, allowing users to spread out. I recommend reading about the differences between targeting developing a platform and developing protocols. Once you do, you'll see XMPP+Encryption in a better light than anything like Signal. The main problem in the current moment with XMPP+Encryption us that it isn't where the people are. Us tech weirdos can start the push into that space a little bit, but we need "Normies" to adopt to, and for that we need to be clear on what were talking about. Comparing XMPP to signal doesn't make sense. Comparing Cheogram to Signal does. And in the latter, cheogram frankly blows Signal out of the water for real privacy and security considerations

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

🙄 you have obviously no idea what you are talking about.