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Lets all remember the following tweet by Elon
Guys you are all too left, calm down a bit please.
The USA doesn't even have a left in any meaningful way. There are two parties, one is right and the other is far right.
As someone from a not-US country, I'm always amazed at how right wing the US "liberal" policies are. If Biden was our PM he'd be more right wing than our most recent conservative PM.
My country 's right wing government, with actual full blown fascists in the parliament, is more leftist than Biden...
Yeah. Americans are brain washed. It’s a fact at this point imo.
You know what? I'm gonna left even harder.
This is true though. 1992 Bill Clinton would be a republican today. Biden supported a 1994 crime bill that is considered racist today. Obama didn't support gay marriage in 2008. Now liberals are fighting for sex change treatments for children. People 30 years ago would consider such an idea a grotesque absurdity.
1992 Bill Clinton thought that we should have universal single-payer healthcare. In 2016 Hillary said that would "never, ever, ever happen."
If you look at Hillary's broader statements, she has always favored universal single-payer healthcare. She worked her ass off to get a plan passed in 1994, and she was relentlessly attacked for it.
The last time Democrats got successful movement on healthcare was March 2010 with a filibuster proof Democratic majority in the Senate, a majority in the House, and a popular new president in the White House. Even then, only a relatively tepid compromise bill was passed, with even the "public option" stripped out (thanks Joe Lieberman).
Will conditions change in the future? Quite possibly, especially as our health care becomes increasingly unaffordable. Maybe it's not so helpful to have senior politicians telling voters something is impossible and potentially affecting the Overton Window. But Hillary's warning, that Bernie Sanders' plan hadn't a chance of getting passed, was a good reality check.
Most republicans prior to Reagan are more like today’s liberals. They did things like make national parks, codify civil rights, and invest in social programs. Today’s liberals are trying to do what those republicans did - save natural lands, implement social programs, and enhance rights for people.
That said, just because a liberal does some things a conservative might approve of doesn’t make them a Republican, nor would the inverse be true.
Wasn't Eisenhower the last of those republicans?
Like Terry Pratchett said: Bad times make good men
Good men make good times
Good times make bad men
Bad men makes bad times
I tried to spread it out. I don’t know if Ike was pro-civil rights, but he was certainly an advocate of investing in the country. His battleship speech certainly made him seem like an advocate of social programs.
maybe we should all ask our ancestors what they think about our society. you know 80 years ago people wouldn't be so keen on integration so much, maybe we should give this whole "having black people freely move around" a second thought, what do you think?
also you're massively misunderstanding the whole political spectrum but i don't have the energy. I'll just suffice to say liberals are not and have never been left wing. left has gained some traction in recent years but that's not about liberals. also for every inch the democrats have moved to the left, republicans have moved a mile to the right. the Overton window has shifted, but not to the left overall.
I understand that politics is multi-faceted however the chart I responded to is 2D.
Because that's what I'm saying 🙄 Calling someone a racist or a nazi for not hating all of human history is a low-tier cop out but go ahead and take your upvotes.
Remember I responded to a meme chart
Literally just an opinion.
Conservatism is dead. Climate change is scientifically proven to be catastrophic.
If we do nothing, change will come to us, and fuck up everything. If we elect to change our society and systems, we save ourselves but our way of living changes.
One way or another there's change. There's nothing to conserve. Stop yelling and kicking like an irrational kid trying to save conservatism and crony capitalism.
Ah remember the days when you could be left and still donate to an immigrant hating, sexist and racist billionaire? Those were the good days.
Thanks for proving my point
np
It is true. And that's OK. Failure to change with the times and to learn from scientific advancements and social improvements is a conservative trait.
You are accurate, but it begs the question: Is not changing your opinions with time and new info a respectable way to live your life? Will you be on the right side of history? Who knows? But I feel like giving people more options is more often better than the alternative.
Literally lolled at this. This post is in response to a "far right" Elon Musk who owns the first company to ever fire a rocket into space, retrieve and reuse it. I'm sure he's just taking credit for all the bleeding heart liberal geniuses working under him.
🥱 Wow way to load your rebuttal to make yourself seem so erudite and above it all. The reality is that a ton of the "new info" turns out to be proven false or even to be outright lies. The reality is that you should be incredibly suspicious of "new info" because chances are it hasn't been properly vetted and could be driven by an agenda similar to how companies fund research to prove their desired conclusions.
Hey I was trying to say your point was valid but I guess you'd rather be told to go fuck yourself? /shrug
Be honest. You were shitting on conservatives not agreeing with me.
I actually think young liberal folk are the ones downvoting you not conservatives. I'm pretty liberal myself but I lived through the changes in the world so I can see how someone can feel left behind when they considereal themselves moderate or liberal their whole lives and now they're being called conservative when they haven't changed beliefs at all.
before i make a user note for you can you clarify if you mean what you're saying or if you're just being a silly bee
Some context is required there, though. The 1994 crime bill did have significant support among Black leaders and activists. It was seen as an imperfect solution to a critical issue that disproportionately affected Black neighborhoods at the time.
leftist here, I'm fighting against sex changes for children (specifically intersex infants)
And how is that an economic redistributive position ?
That doesn't surprise me. The left and right paradigm flattens a ton of complexity into a boolean spectrum when the reality is far more complex than that.
As a leftist I think that transsexuals should not be discriminated against. I'm also highly disturbed by the idea of medicalizing everything and turning a sexual identity into an excuse for prescribing dangerous and harsh drugs and body modification surgery. The whole thing feels like an op by the for-profit healthcare industry.
"I don't think transsexuals should be discriminated against, expect medical discrimination. Cus conspiracy theories."
Pushers shouldn't be pushing. The sickness industry is a vile and evil institution that ruins people's health and cuts up their bodies for profit. That is a leftist position.
i know a lot of trans girls who source their own estrogen or get it from the black market (they also tend to be socialist ra types)
Clinton was a rightward leap of the Democratic party. In reality the left and right move in response to each other, but the direction it goes is not fixed.