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Why is the government targeting incels? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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You may have heard of the “Countering Violent Extremism” program under DHS.

They’ve deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn’t know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn’t know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.

I share a lot of my experience here.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

My question is, is it far that the government is so targeting incels?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'll agree that state violence is bullshit. If they really wanted to help people, they could give them counselling, or maybe do something about our nightmarish society that atomises and impoverishes everyone - including men, women and others that fall outside that binary - and drives people to extremism out of desperation.

Unfortunately they are part of the problem. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. When all you have is state repression, you're going to treat every problem like political dissidence, and that's going to create more terrorism, not less.

This something you need to understand: the state and capital are our common enemy. They work together to keep us poor and separated. Women are not your enemy, they are suffering under this system too. Our actual enemies are the ones that want to push narratives that divide us along lines of gender, race, sexuality, ability, poverty, whatever they can find, because the more we blame one another, the less we pay attention to our oppressors, and the less we work together to fight against them.

To everyone else here attacking OP: saying "fuck you, you deserve repression" is not only false, it doesn't help. This language I've used here has been shown to be effective at combating bigotry, probably because it's true.

To OP, if you don't understand why you're being targeted, this article explains how terrorism is being connected with incels, and also why state responses to terrorism aren't actually all that helpful: https://theconversation.com/why-charging-incels-with-terrorism-may-make-matters-worse-139457

[+] [email protected] -11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've actually said not much that is directly misogynistic. But if I say "the sexual marketplace has taken a polygynous turn," that's deemed misogyny. Good article but that advice has went unheeded especially in the United States. Fact of the matter is that incels are POLITICALLY loathed and a politicized justice department has been set loose on them.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Coded language like that may not sound misogynist to you, but so many people use it in a misogynistic way that by saying it you are identifying yourself with misogyny whether you want to or not.

Also, sex isn't a marketplace. People are not products to be consumed, bought or sold.

There is a reason women reject a lot of men, and it's not because they're rolling in good dick. It's because they are afraid of being killed for a start.

I would recommend you spend more time figuring out where your real problems come from. They don't originate with half of all people, they originate in capitalism and patriarchy. That doesn't mean the problem is "men". Patriarchy is bad for men too.