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It pisses me off that so many people put cameras on there door bells
It kind of makes me want to go bonkers and have 12-14 visible CTV cameras pointing at the person to dares to come to my door (joking)
You're not alone. This isn't normal and you're not crazy for not wanting to be spied on just for making the mistake of going outside and walking past someone's house.
Imagine reporting someone for actually contributing to the conversation. Imaging thinking that other countries don't already have similar laws in place. Don't you wonder how security cameras are a thing for businesses across literally the entire world?
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0JP1OZ/
Just because I outline what specific laws the US follow to allow it doesn't mean other countries don't allow it either. This is not a US centric problem. I would challenge you to find a country that DOESN'T Allow you to record your own property. Or I suppose you can just cry to more mod-mail.
Oh man. You're worried about your neighbors cameras? Wait until you learn about all the stuff they put on traffic lights these days. If you're on just about any public road, or adjacent properties/sidewalks, you're ALREADY being recorded by the government. I wouldn't worry all that much about a random doorbell camera. That's just one data point. The traffic stuff can track you for miles. Hell... have an accident, your lawyer to subpoena the state for their footage. https://zaneslaw.com/blog/how-to-access-traffic-camera-footage-phoenix/
For example... https://az511.gov/
Businesses have cameras...
You don't have privacy out in public. It doesn't exist. What you're all advocating for is that property owners don't have a right to install security systems on their own property. Or to record events on their property/in public. That's just plain incorrect.
I mean... find me a country that doesn't allow you to install cameras on your own private property and I'll admit defeat. How about that?
Edit: and since you're already here moderator... How about you remove the call to action for doxing someone?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/10636070
Which is a call to action. A little bit down the comment thread.
So you also believe that you can determine tone from text. What I see written is a call to action. While context could appear to make it light-hearted, it's still a call to action. Very much akin to the "in minecraft" "meme" which didn't pass muster and got someone arrested. Seems odd that a "privacy" caring moderator would tolerate even a "joke" based on taking away someone's privacy. Jumping to the point of "let's dox this guy" from where we were in the conversation was not a normal step. Nothing about a camera on private property equates to doxing someone. Just because I see a mail carrier on my cameras doesn't mean I actually know anything about them. Jumping straight to doxing someone "as a joke" isn't even reasonable in context if you FORCE a light-hearted nature to the comment.
Nowhere in my "defeatism" did I write a call to action (and if there was one it would be to write your representatives if you're in the US to change the law) so I'm not sure why you're equating them. Neither did I actually claim actual defeatism. I'm all for privacy. I'm a huge advocate for it. Someone's right to their property is a completely different issue which is actually codified. Claiming that your right to privacy supersedes an actual right to property is a bit silly. That's not "defeatism".
I mean, do it? No reason to announce it here, and no one will care about your plethora of cameras. Why would what someone chooses to add to their property be something that "pisses you off" so much?
Because I do not wish to be recorded
Then don't go on their property?
Not everyone has the luxury of owning their own home. My apartment neighbor has a doorbell camera pointed directly at my doorway that activates every time I open my door to go to work, get food delivered, etc. Huge privacy violation, but our doors face each other, so I guess that's legal...
Don’t go to the door then?
"Their property (and what it records off their property) is more important than your privacy."
https://www.videomaker.com/article/15619-recording-in-public-places-and-your-first-amendment-rights/
Yes. The First Amendment right supersedes any bullshit right to "privacy" in a public space. But that was never part of this discussion. They're complaining about being recorded walking up to a door. Which will 100% always be someone else's property and not public in the context of this discussion. So good job moving goalposts... even though that goalpost moving still doesn't change the discussion at all.
Why are you so angry? Damn. This is a privacy forum. So of course we want privacy! I'll even grant you that a person who owns their home is allowed to record and archive every single moment of every single person who visits (creepy). But not every person owns their own home. As I mentioned, I currently rent, as do about 45 million households in the US. That's the majority of all people under 35! So now that ownership isn't an issue, is my neighbor allowed to record every time I go to work, get food delivered, see who visits me and when, etc? Their camera is pointed right at my doorway and activates every time I open it. Legally maybe, but that doesn't make it right...
EDIT: Notice they'll downvote me, but can't back up their emotions with facts...
I downvoted you because you believe you can discern my feelings over text. Tone over text is notoriously hard to figure out... And I'm far from angry. If anything I'm disappointed that so many people believe they have a right that simply doesn't exist. I do not make it a habit to respond to trolls who insinuate emotion when none is there to be divined.
I've also spend literally the whole thread proving everything I've stated. There is no "right" to privacy (outside of bathrooms and other private spaces [bedrooms as another example, but only in particular situations... baby monitors for example are not illegal] which is covered by law). There is an ultimate right to my own property... on which I install my cameras. Even if you believe you have a right to privacy, my rights to my property would supersede your rights on my private property regardless as you'd be committing a crime of trespassing at that point. Further we know that recording in public is 100% acceptable. Paparazzi use this right ALL the time. Including making a business on the matter of taking other people's images while in public. You are not special. You do not have some magic right to privacy when in public or on someone else's property.
The apartment scenario was not brought up initially and wasn't brought up until many posts down. It's irrelevant to the original discussion. But if you want to go to that point, I'd ask you to talk to your apartment managers. It's their property to define rules on. No-one else can stipulate if it's allowed or not. That's it. If they declare the hallway/breezeway "public" then your neighbor has the de facto right to have a camera present. If they setup some other rule, then they as the property managers can block their right to record. Here's a question for you though... Did you ask them to not record? Have you actually talked to your neighbor and voiced your concern in a reasonable way? They make kits to angle the camera 15-45 degrees off... you can ask them to install one of those so the camera doesn't aim directly at your door. I would venture a guess you didn't, you seem to have a hard time communicating in general as we see you do things like insinuate what emotions I'm writing from when it's never clear in a pure text form.
2 days later Edit: Notice they'll make a claim, and when forced to reconcile with their claim, they can't back it up at all. 2 days to respond and they didn't/can't. Can't even address the thread properly but has to go off on a wild tangent.
Does it piss you off when they have sex out of wedlock in their house too? How dare they have a shed in their backyard that doesn't match the HOA approved colors!
It's your property... do whatever you want. Hell adding all those cameras like that with no purpose will alert your neighbors to what you are... clearly looney tunes levels of crazy.
Is it to much be asked not to have my face analyzed when I knock on your door? I just want to talk to a person, not be photographed like an animal in a zoo
It's not. The people are psychos...
You have no right to privacy on my property (Exceptions being obvious things like bathrooms). If you want to "just" talk to me... then you hopefully already know me (otherwise that becomes soliciting/trespassing) and you would simply just text/call me.
So yes... It is too much to ask. As your complaint about cameras on my property and your supposed resolution of not having cameras on my property is depriving me of my right to do whatever the fuck I want on my own property within the bounds of the law. I also have a right and in many cases a duty to know who's on my property and for what purpose they're there.
Look... I'll meet you in the middle here. I have 6 cameras that cover 360 degrees of my house (focused on my property, not my neighbors). All the processing to identify cars, cats, and people runs on servers in my garage and the video footage is stored on my 400TB storage node. So I'm not sending your image to the "cloud" to be raped by some faceless big corpo. But what I do on my property is none of your damn business and if you don't like it... Don't come on my property. Just like I don't come onto your property and make demands of you.
You arbitrarily decided what is "obvious". For me it's obvious for my right to privacy to be observed all the time.
I don't want my face to be sent to i.e. Amazon just because I am a courier delivering a package to your house.
I didn't arbitrarily decide anything. It's literally the law.
Edit: If you need help figuring out why a security camera in the bathroom might be a problem. There's no helping you.
Also you clearly didn't read my post at all. On my system, nothing is sent to anyone except me. And as far as you being a courier. Choose a different job if it bothers you. I have a right to know who's on my property... and oftentimes even a DUTY to know.
Edit2: Also there's no such right as "right to privacy". Which I even called out in my post. You have no right to privacy in public or on someone else's property.
Someone dox this guy, he went in or space on the internet and now has no right to privacy anymore.
Lmao. Doxing someone vs passively recording someone on your own property is not the same and you know it. First off, doxing as a premise is illegal in most of the USA.
But I'm well aware that what I post on my lemmy instance is public. That's the nature of federation. But I will challenge that it's not your space. You're a Beehaw user. Not the server owners/administration. You have no "space" to call your own here. Keep in mind this thread actually lives on lemmy.ml. So you DEFINITELY don't have any rights to this space.
Much to that point... The beehaw/lemmy.ml admins could look at the logs and see my instance information including IP addresses and such. It's their property since I transmitted that data to them free and clear. Nothing wrong with that. And just like I posted in my post... I would hope they treat my data fairly like I do with my cameras. Which record to local storage. I don't put your shit to some random cloud if you walk onto my property. But to be frank, I'm willing to bet that your instance is already hosted in some "cloud". So Amazon or Azure (or whatever platform), already has the data. I'm probably treating people who trespass onto my property better than your instance treats your data. Let that sink in.
Get out of my yard!
I serve only one master, his name is Shayʾ Khulud
Why are you knocking on my door? I don't want people knocking on my door.
Hell I have signs posted on my door "No Soliciting" and "No Trespassing". Guess how many people knock on my door that claim they're not soliciting literally in the next line to talk about whatever company they represent. Literally violating the law and my rights without a care in the world. But I'm supposed to care when someone has an issue with a camera I own on my property recording my own stuff. Pretty absurd.