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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I am a researcher studying diseases. You have no idea how many mice get killed without generating any data. There's a rule in place whenever you want to work with animals that you need to plan ahead and only use as few animals as you need to get the data that you're looking for. But things in research basically never happen according to plan. It could be due to a variety of factors: unexpected failures, overlooked factors, technical errors, or just simple negligence when performing an experiment. A lot of data and samples obtained from killed mice are discarded for one or more of the above reasons.

I get that mouse experiments are important to prove that our findings can translate to actual living animals, but I personally will not touch a mouse because, frankly, the "useful data per mouse" ratio is way too low for me to justify using mice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine if we were doing this to our own species.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We did during WW2 and that pushed medicine further in just a few years than thousands of years of medical history before that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you give an example of how medicine was actually advanced? Cause I've only heard that claim made by white supremacists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern medicine did not even exist before WW2. Literally everything we know is thanks to this one event. If you need just one example - antibiotics. And no, they were not invented by Nazis in their camps :) But they were tested on real people. Who died. From testing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one denies that wars bring medical advancements. What is questionable is the claim that Nazi experimentation advanced medical science.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Where did I mention Nazis? Where did you get them from?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I don't think it was consensual

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