Why can't the rule be opt in instead? If I want it, I'll find it. If I don't I sure as hell don't want some company telling me I must.
Gtfo with that shite.
this post was submitted on 20 May 2025
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these negative comments are missing the point. Soon we may not be able to buy a phone that doesnt have an integrated intrusive ai that scans all you files. Android has one, ios has one. Whats the alternative? using lineage os or some other android rom? having to give up using banks apps and stuff that doesnt work in those roms? most people cant say no to having a phone, so lets ensure these phones arent so intrusive. lets legislate something about this...
What you really need is freedom. Not from AI but from corporations.
I live in Denmark, their state identification app does not work if it detects that the Android ROM is not straight from Google. So when I switched to /e/OS I couldn't access anything any more. So yeah, in my case the solution was ta give up on one pretty critical app.
Thankfully the solution was as easy as getting one of those old fashioned code chips, and everything else seems to be working fine (including banking apps from other countries). So now I'm rocking /e/OS and I'm pretty sure there is no way I'm ever going back to Google Android.
Do Magisk and the universal fix no longer help with masking your OS?
I think maybe it does, but I'm a pretty normal user who just used the Murena quick installer to get /e/OS. Reading up on Magisk after some web searches I quickly realized it was more than I could bite over without spending too much time trying to figure it all out. If people insist on making apps I can't use I'll just accept that I won't be using them at this point. Their loss.
Fwiw I can use my banking apps and anything else on GrapheneOS. It's been smooth sailing all the way.
im glad that it works for you, but my point is that we should have the right to have a non-intrusive phone just as easily as we have intrusive ones. People shouldnt be expected to learn how to unlock a bootloader, or import one of the few phone models that support these alternative roms with all security features in place. In the process of installing these roms, some people might fall into the trap of installing them from a suspicious source.
Fair point. Technology is increasingly hostile.
The technology isn't doing this, incompetent bank risk managers are.
Same here. I've been using Lineage since it was Cyanogenmod and I've never encountered banking or payment apps not working.
Oh shit lineage was cyanogen? I used that back in the day and loved it!
I’ll keep that in mind, thanks for the tidbit!
Yep I just have to disable a few default sandboxing flags on my specific banking apps and they work.
having to give up using banks apps and stuff that doesnt work in those roms?
btw, my bank recently announced that they'll not let anyone login to the web bank from mobile phones. their justification is to "protect against hackers", which is an obvious lie. this is the most popular bank in my country
Use desktop mode and spoof the user agent with an extension. I'm assuming you're of average intelligence and already use Firefox.
My bank ban 24h if you try that. They are blocking the connection arguing that you are using a new browser.
Using a cheap android phone just for bank seems the solution.
Also an email for only your bank and finances, to prevent being phished.
We can control AI just fine. We cannot control corporations, who use sloppy AI for important decisions. A few court cases for unfair hiring practices will solve the problem rather quickly, it won't be AI who will get fined, it will be CEO.
“No” - tech bros and republicans
To be clear, the article is about people who don't wanna use AI and hes chois or not to do it in a personal level. No an impose to those who embrace AI. Is more like if a person can chose to say not to AI, or in words from the article "those who are left behind is widening and becoming a social barrier".
I understand all the concerns about losing jobs and being left behind, but that's also what happened when the loom was invented. An entire profession gone. Looms were destroyed in protests, people died over embracing the new machine and the inventors of every new version had their lifes threatened. But imagine if we we're still hand weaving all our clothes today? Yeah maybe they would be more durable than what we have today, but you wouldn't have many clothes, and there would be a large portion of the population just weaving fabrics.
Same thing happened when threshing machines were invented, steam pumps, cranes, the printing press. History repeats itself where jobs will be lost to new innovation but look at what new jobs and careers these inventions sparked.
Its hard to see it now, but automation is a good thing. It will drive new technology where we will once again find new jobs and careers.
Believe me, as someone still getting into my career which is being threatened by AI, I'm certain there will still be work that isn't just manual labor.
You're right, it's something that is happening and could be good too. But you're also missing the point. It's the massive application of AI on all kinds of areas including social media, communications and the intrusive forms of nourish that kind of systems with your data almost every time without our consent. Without and option to opt-out or better not being involved in all that shit that consumes a lot of water and energy, and its being overestimated.