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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

This is J# erasure!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

C# is just flat out objectively a better language, in virtually every single way

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't understand why any VM language is widely used. Running on every OS makes no sense to me when you could just compile it for other OS, was there some other reason?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

In much the same way that McDonald's is better than a mud pie.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Eh, I'd argue that Java and C# are in the niche of having few features. While I don't like this niche, Java having even less features makes it stand out more in this niche. If you're looking for a language with more features than that, then there's so many more feature-rich choices than C# that I just don't feel like you'd choose C#, unless you want Java with integration into the Microsoft ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, could you give me an example? I usually think the opposite whenever I interact with other languages?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

Well, on the JVM side of things there's Scala and Kotlin. Scala supports all the object-oriented paradigms + the functional paradigms. Kotlin supports about the same number of features as Scala, although it puts more restrictions on them. On the Microsoft side of things, I've never tried it, but I'm guessing F# has to cover a similar object-oriented + functional feature set. Well, and from what I've heard about C++, it's presumably the language with the most features across all languages.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

I'm not talking ecosystem or which I'd choose to build an actual project with, just on a pure language basis, C#'s typing system is more flexible and less verbose than Java's, and unlike Java, C# actually treats functional programming as first class.

Java has certainly gotten better in both regards, but C# was really just a joy in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Well it's always about finding a good balance isn't it. Too many features like in C++ has negative consequences. Preferably you want something that lets you do all that you need to do, but not more. The trick to designing a good language is to let developers achieve as much as possible with as few features as possible, while keeping the code easy to reason about and understand.

This is obviously both subjective and highly dependent on what problem you are trying to solve, but I can't think of any situation in my career where C# would not have been a better a choice than Java from a strictly technical perspective. It's not just that the C# language is better, it's that the Java ecosystem is founded on poor design choices that result in code bloat and implicit behavior that is hard to troubleshoot and secure. See e.g. Spring, which automatically picks up and loads any logging library that happens to be in the user's path, even if that is an exploitable version of log4J. Java has become corrupted by enterprise architects. This satirical project demonstrates what I mean.

I say this as someone who is currently developing a FOSS Java library in my spare time, out of frustration with the Java code I had to endure at work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I dare say that you could replicate the same mess in C#, PHP, Python, C++, or any other object oriented language. Just because people write bad code, it doesn't mean the language is bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Sure, I didn't claim that the bad ecosystem makes the language as such bad (although it is still bad, for other reasons). It's just an additional disadvantage of developing software on the Java platform.

That said, I do think some of the bad code out there is an effect of trying to work around flaws or missing features in the language. Libraries like Spring add an additional configuration layer that is practically like an additional language on top of the base language. Instead of coding Java, you're coding Bean configurations and filter chains. Unfortunately all of that comes without useful debugging tools, so you're left scratching your head why the system isn't doing what you want. Log4J is another such complex configuration system that - unfortunately - customers are encouraged to change themselves which leads to confusing failure modes and insufficient user interfaces.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Wrong its by microshit that makes it worse

Also java is better designed

Also java doesnt have builtin sql like shit, I hate SQL

Also java has intellij

C#s capitalization scheme is also stupid

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago