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cross-posted from: https://lemmit.online/post/5566633

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The original was posted on /r/todayilearned by /u/MechCADdie on 2025-04-04 08:19:11+00:00.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Fun fact! - this is what Ben Stein is teaching in Ferris Bueller's day off.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

And then the conservative brain worms convinced him to support the people who did it again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I heard he became a MAGA though. How ironic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 54 minutes ago

Not really ironic. The dude was part of Nixons administration. Trump is basically Nixon 2.0. Trumps whole worldview was shaped by Nixon or guys who worked for Nixon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

Surprisingly, he was actually a terrible person BEFORE MAGA.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

You are not wrong..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Maybe they should have been more attentive than send all the time preparing an extremely elaborate day of playing hokey.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

The Great Depression.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

God let history repeating itself be a good thing for once.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How about no. The only people who will suffer is poor people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If it makes them angry, to actually do something?

Sometimes we need an example, and hypothetically I think the orange turd getting gadaffid would be a spectacular one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

Jesus says touch the stove.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Great depression, and 2/3rds drop in global trade resulted.

I present also 1828 dementia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations which started southern secessionist movements.

Unjustifiable trade attacks like all wars are bad for unity. If California or Texas has to pay $10k more per car so metal and auto workers elsewhere get high pay, national unity fractures. Everything being super expensive with no jobs because of global trade retaliations, means that Mexicans stop being a unifying problem, and those white Michigan and Pennsylvania blue collar workers cheering for Trump are the problem. Better cars elsewhere in the world become a bigger national unity factor the more protection $ is spent on inferior cars.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

something something people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Funny thing the 1828 Tariff of Abomination, The Smoot Hawley Tariff and Donald’s Liquidation Day Tariff are all roughly a hundred years apart. Living memory of the consequences of such tariffs need to die out completely before a new generation tries this stupidity.

It’s the same with the nativist bullshit. Memory of the peak of Know Nothing, KKK and now MAGA bullshit has to die out before it is tried again.

My only hope is that this is viewed as the high water mark of the MAGA movement. MAGA incompetence is on full display.

As much as I disagreed with Sen. Chuck Shumers decision to roll over on the budget. Shutting down the government and giving MAGA any excuse to blame Democrats for this economic slowdown would have been a bad call. Donald and the Republicans now solely own this disaster.

For the MAGA faithful it won’t make a difference but for independents, moderates and low information voters this could be a huge turning point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Attacking Russia stops being a bad idea every 100 years or so too. Occupying government of France leading the cheerleading a common factor.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 21 hours ago

Well they had elections afterwards. Trump's nazis will just throw dissenters into KZs and invade their neighbours.

There will be no free elections anymore

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Tarrifs are billionaire cash grabs, nothing more. Nobody likes those. Except billionaires of course.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Tarrifs are billionaire cash grabs

Not really. It is possible that Musk envisioned breaking NA auto pact to USMCA agreements on autos for purposes of destroying big 3 auto competition, which has been releasing competitive EVs prior to this aggression. Most billionaires like the status quo with existing protections of their business.

A depression does permit billionaires to swoop in later to buy assets. Complete chaos, uncertainty, and yo yo policies does allow for people to make huge short term leveraged returns if they know when the chaos is to be reversed and applied.

In this case, its just a cult leader doing stupid cult actions, though chaos profit angle can easily be there.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Even the billionaires are going to lose money. It's just unjustifiably stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Some of them will get more power or money, though. They are not unified.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

They have enough money to coast along to buy and hoard failing companies and collect them for whenever the economy rebounds.

Billionaires have so much money, they could spend a few thousand a day and it wouldn't hurt their bank account for decades.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

They could spend $100,000 a day for 50 years an not have spent through 2 Billion. Elon and musk both command 200 Billion ish. the interest alone is worth that 8 billion a year if it was in treasuries.

Every year the interest on Musks fortune could generate enough money to spend $2,100,000 a day without even losing a dollar of principle. on the theoretical interest of his fortune.

I lost 10% of my retirement today. Thats not even a fraction of any of these numbers 😂😭

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago

The old oil money declared war on the neuvo riche tech bros.

Its an attrition war.

The majority are peeons (sic) in this new feudal trickle down economic game.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 19 hours ago

Every once-in-a-lifetime economic disaster I've personally witnessed has taught me that any economic loss for billionaires is only temporary.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, look past the self-righteous grandstanding to see it for the big wealth transfer that it is.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (37 children)

We got a Progressive Era out of it, maybe we'll get another one?

Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about the New Deal and New Deal v2 Progressive Eras (and the era of Progressive Democratic supermajorities that dominated congress)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Germany got fascism out of the economic collapse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

👀

(fuck)

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago

The thing about Smoot-Hawley is that when it happened everyone else also put up equal tariffs among one another.

this time the EU, Japan, South Korea, Canada are only putting tariffs on the US. Not amongst themselves.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Every day of my life is an economic crisis.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Proof yet again that "business leaders" typically don't know shit about shit.

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