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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that applies to tech. I pay for Proton and this is disappointing af but not shocking. Corporations and wannabe billionaires always fold to fascism.

Gonna start looking around at alternative email services to consider but I use my Proton email everywhere, so switching away is going to suck.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, dude is one out of 5 board members:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

People don't accidentally get on a board. The whole idea is that you actively search for and interview and even recruit people who best embody the values of your project. Then you get nominated and often voted.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Ingl, I think the only way to stay sane these times is to ignore what they say and look at what they do. As long as his products are up to my standards and values, I'll just ignore whatever he says to appease whomever

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Agreed. If I haphazardly ditched services based on the opinions of tech folks, I’d be reduced to using a pair of cans attached with string and nothing else.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

Let's not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely. This is one member of a 5-person board that also includes Tim Berners-Lee. The foundation structure is also a protection against abuses.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yes you are right, and no you are not. It is concerning and something to stay vigilent about in the upcoming times.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (37 children)

Let’s not get carried away. The scope of the comment is pretty narrow if you read it closely

The only thing I want to hear from you is that you actively disavow Trump, or if you feel this is going to hurt your business, at least say nothing at all. Anything other than that marks you as a shameless suck-up, and I want nothing to do with you or your business.

Ergo, I want nothing to do with Proton. It's time suck-ups pay the price and see their bottom lines drop because of their dubious choices.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (14 children)

Who makes your phone?

Who makes your computer?

Who is your ISP?

Who do you bank with?

What email client do you use?

Let’s take a closer look.

I get what you’re driving at truly but man we do what we can and accept we can’t be perfect. I avoid Amazon as much as I can. I’ve left google, I don’t shop at Walmart. I don’t eat chik fil a. I try to avoid known evil brands where I can knowing I can’t be perfect.

Proton gives me a lot of what I need and is exponentially better/more ethical than major competitors like Google. I am good with computers but not good enough to roll my own entire email/calendar/cloud storage system. We sometimes have to accept compromise or i guess just simply not participate in modern society.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

God. Fucking. Dam. It.

I use too many of their services right now to get everything switched over to something else before trump takes power.

The swiss better fucking jail this guy if he hands over data to the us government without swiss court approval, per swiss law.

Now I have to find a new password manager, VPN, and email provider. Open to suggestions, but I want to find services that aren't hosed in the us or by trump friendly countries/companies, and ideally use open source software and zero access encryption.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Dude got weird "Libertarian" vibes:

But he's just one of five board members of the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, not really a doomsday event... yet.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Did he (the CEO) really need to do this? Orange 🍄 Guy's probably never even heard of Proton. The transition for me from Tuta to Proton was long and rough, so I'm not prepared to jump ship just yet and really hope I won't have to.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Sad. The way tech companies are changing stripes, we are about to hit a surveillance state by summer

[–] [email protected] 63 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The US are a surveillance state already. But I guess it could get even worse.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Hmm... is Tuta still good these days?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Glad I changed my stack over a few months ago:

  • Proton Mail → Posteo
  • Proton VPN → Mullvad VPN
  • Proton Drive → Syncthing

I'd also recommend KeePassXC in place of Proton Pass, and Cake Wallet in place of Proton Wallet. However, these were both Proton services I never used anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

I moved from proton to tuta recently :D

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

I can understand being fine with a nomination that aligns with his personal interests but from there the journey to « party of small people » likely takes a convoluted path.

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